Hmm Alcohol
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Having personaly driven in yourcvar - logged the ignition timing and seen your dyno sheets - its clear to me that you dont follow your own advice.
The fact that you have done a few track days does not make you an expert on tuning.
The fact that you have done a few track days does not make you an expert on tuning.
Admittedly, I'm not an expert on tuning and I freely admit that, but I do put thought into everything that goes into my car and do what I can to make a better system...as opposed to just buying whatever is hot at the moment.
Maybe I should just buy some reflash software from TechTom and maybe after I've tuned a few cars, I can reach the "pinnacle of Evo tuning," also?
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Since you have no idea of what kind of tuning or testing I am doing and also have no idea of how our kit works I would appreciate it if you would refrain from making such statements which are based solely on your opinion and not facts.
And once again, I don't state my opinion, I state my conclusions from my experience in using an alcohol injection system on a road course, where you simply respew whatever someone else tells you is the truth.
Originally Posted by 2k4EvoVIII
Also can you set this up as a secondary injector on the AEM to be controlled by its own map?
Thanx
Chris
Thanx
Chris
A normal fuel pump will not be any good for any sort of alcohol (whether methyl or ethyl) when mixed with water, or even prolonged use with alcohol. Or windshield washer fluid, for that matter, since all it is comprised of is methanol, water and Blue #2...at least the summer formulation is.
If you're going to be mixing it, I would go with a ShurFlow pump with Viton seals and adjustable pressure, available from snowperformance.net. Call up and talk to Matt.
If you're going to be mixing it, I would go with a ShurFlow pump with Viton seals and adjustable pressure, available from snowperformance.net. Call up and talk to Matt.
Originally Posted by 2k4EvoVIII
Hmm let me know what pump you use. I heard it is just a normal fuel pump is this correct? If so i could see the methanol causing problems to that pump after a certain amount of time causing failure. Just wanted to know.
Thanx
Chris
Thanx
Chris
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
The tank would esily last for one full gast tank without any question
It is not the product.
Just tell the guy that you are not sure. I was not tested.
You said it yourself - 99% of you customers do not use it on that kind of track.
Jesus.
Ask people that road race how many times they almost run out of gas even though the "light" was on.
Different kind of racing Al.
Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
While the 100 octane is a great idea, you will probably want to turn the boost down to 22psi and record what your highest EGT was if you have a gauge that records peaks. Things get a lot hotter on the track than they do in a nice cool dyno room when you're tuning a car. You're heat soaking your radiator and intercooler, so I think the best option would be to run a pump gas tune and add the alky on top to keep things cool. Nozzles get jammed, pumps overheat and if you're doing this just as a safety net, that's the best way to do it. On the 02 sensors, you can get a Bosch replacement 02 for about 35 bucks, but you have to solder some wires to get it to work.
ONLY 27psi? You're taking a tune that was developed on a dyno or a few gear pulls and trying to make it work with a half hour of constantly trying to lift the head off the block. Turn the boost down to 20, put good 100 octane in, learn the track, then crank it if you think you have it down.
More often than not, the fastest driver has the fastest times, not the fastest car.
ONLY 27psi? You're taking a tune that was developed on a dyno or a few gear pulls and trying to make it work with a half hour of constantly trying to lift the head off the block. Turn the boost down to 20, put good 100 octane in, learn the track, then crank it if you think you have it down.
More often than not, the fastest driver has the fastest times, not the fastest car.
1.I do have head studs and a o-ringed head to help her stay together.
2.The car was tuned with repeated back to back 3rd gear pulls, it has never been on a dyno.
3. By "first track day" I was talking about this spring. I have driven Gingerman in a 550 Maranello, GT-2, factory GT-3, 355 challenge, 996tt, audi s4, viper, 250 shifter cart and a few more.
Last edited by 4ringturncoat; Feb 23, 2005 at 11:00 AM.
Originally Posted by EVOQUICK
It is not you.
It is not the product.
Just tell the guy that you are not sure. I was not tested.
You said it yourself - 99% of you customers do not use it on that kind of track.
Jesus.
Ask people that road race how many times they almost run out of gas even though the "light" was on.
Different kind of racing Al.
It is not the product.
Just tell the guy that you are not sure. I was not tested.
You said it yourself - 99% of you customers do not use it on that kind of track.
Jesus.
Ask people that road race how many times they almost run out of gas even though the "light" was on.
Different kind of racing Al.
He has no idea what it's like out there, talked to him about it last year and he said taking his car out to a road course scared him and that he wouldn't do it. That's fine, but don't try to go fooling people into a false sense of security just so they'll buy whatever product of the day you're reselling for someone else.
Turncoat,
All of it is true and conservative should be your attitude, unless you plan on trailering to and from the event and have a full cage and fire suppression system in case something happens.
Head studs and o rings will help keep the head on the block, but won't do much when you burn a hole in a piston from detonation due to lateral g's and a half full reservoir. Where exactly is the fuel pickup in relation to the reservoir? Bottom center, side, middle?
Back to back 3rd gear pulls are fine, if you plan on going to the track, getting into 3rd gear, slowing down, getting into 3rd gear a few more times and then pulling off the track, letting it cool and doing it all over again.
Look at your EGT's at the end of a 3rd gear pull.
Then look at the peak value after a half hour session. I guarantee that it will be at least 50 degrees Centigrade higher, all other things being equal.
Joe
All of it is true and conservative should be your attitude, unless you plan on trailering to and from the event and have a full cage and fire suppression system in case something happens.
Head studs and o rings will help keep the head on the block, but won't do much when you burn a hole in a piston from detonation due to lateral g's and a half full reservoir. Where exactly is the fuel pickup in relation to the reservoir? Bottom center, side, middle?
Back to back 3rd gear pulls are fine, if you plan on going to the track, getting into 3rd gear, slowing down, getting into 3rd gear a few more times and then pulling off the track, letting it cool and doing it all over again.
Look at your EGT's at the end of a 3rd gear pull.
Then look at the peak value after a half hour session. I guarantee that it will be at least 50 degrees Centigrade higher, all other things being equal.
Joe
Originally Posted by 4ringturncoat
Thank you for the advice, while some of your advice may be true it is a little conservative for me. To clarify a few things:
1.I do have head studs and a o-ringed head to help her stay together.
2.The car was tuned with repeated back to back 3rd gear pulls, it has never been on a dyno.
1.I do have head studs and a o-ringed head to help her stay together.
2.The car was tuned with repeated back to back 3rd gear pulls, it has never been on a dyno.
think we should stop speculating and just let it be tested on a track and see what people have to say about it. All are valid points, the estimates sound good, but so does the weather forcast for tomorrow and they cant even get that **** right.
All these questions are great, and the input, but from what I see it still is just an educated guess. We need to just sit on the issue and let some people track test the product and see what they have to say, time will tell. Advertising is great but if it no workie then it no workie.
Maybe it isnt for track use, but lets find out by testing the product that buschur and AL both stand behind. Buschur is a reputable name and has been in the business for a while, and I'm sure they have put brain power in to this product before turning the key to watch fireworks.
I'm waiting for some someone to do a track day and test this crazyness out.
All these questions are great, and the input, but from what I see it still is just an educated guess. We need to just sit on the issue and let some people track test the product and see what they have to say, time will tell. Advertising is great but if it no workie then it no workie.
Maybe it isnt for track use, but lets find out by testing the product that buschur and AL both stand behind. Buschur is a reputable name and has been in the business for a while, and I'm sure they have put brain power in to this product before turning the key to watch fireworks.
I'm waiting for some someone to do a track day and test this crazyness out.
Turncoat,
Hehe, don't worry about it. You should be fine in that case!
Evo11V,
What you don't seem to get is that I've been using a similar system for over a year. It doesn't have the capacity or proper pickup for track use, period. Like I said before, while it's a great product for street, strip and auto-x use, it isn't suitable for a custom tuned car running at full bore for a half hour at a time.
I've been doing track days on an almost identical "custom" system for over a year now and am sharing my experience, but there seems to be a conflict of interest between Al putting his foot in his mouth about an untested product and saying that 1 gallon is enough for one tank of gas. It isn't, even if you use a 0.5mm nozzle.
Hehe, don't worry about it. You should be fine in that case!
Evo11V,
What you don't seem to get is that I've been using a similar system for over a year. It doesn't have the capacity or proper pickup for track use, period. Like I said before, while it's a great product for street, strip and auto-x use, it isn't suitable for a custom tuned car running at full bore for a half hour at a time.
I've been doing track days on an almost identical "custom" system for over a year now and am sharing my experience, but there seems to be a conflict of interest between Al putting his foot in his mouth about an untested product and saying that 1 gallon is enough for one tank of gas. It isn't, even if you use a 0.5mm nozzle.
Got ya... I understand where you are coming from. "maybe its not best sutied for a track," like you said. If AL or Buschur think it is then we will have to see when people try to use it on the track.
Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
Turncoat,
Hehe, don't worry about it. You should be fine in that case!
Evo11V,
What you don't seem to get is that I've been using a similar system for over a year. It doesn't have the capacity or proper pickup for track use, period. Like I said before, while it's a great product for street, strip and auto-x use, it isn't suitable for a custom tuned car running at full bore for a half hour at a time.
I've been doing track days on an almost identical "custom" system for over a year now and am sharing my experience, but there seems to be a conflict of interest between Al putting his foot in his mouth about an untested product and saying that 1 gallon is enough for one tank of gas. It isn't, even if you use a 0.5mm nozzle.
Hehe, don't worry about it. You should be fine in that case!
Evo11V,
What you don't seem to get is that I've been using a similar system for over a year. It doesn't have the capacity or proper pickup for track use, period. Like I said before, while it's a great product for street, strip and auto-x use, it isn't suitable for a custom tuned car running at full bore for a half hour at a time.
I've been doing track days on an almost identical "custom" system for over a year now and am sharing my experience, but there seems to be a conflict of interest between Al putting his foot in his mouth about an untested product and saying that 1 gallon is enough for one tank of gas. It isn't, even if you use a 0.5mm nozzle.
Originally Posted by EVOQUICK
It is not you.
It is not the product.
Just tell the guy that you are not sure. I was not tested.
You said it yourself - 99% of you customers do not use it on that kind of track.
Jesus.
Ask people that road race how many times they almost run out of gas even though the "light" was on.
Different kind of racing Al.
It is not the product.
Just tell the guy that you are not sure. I was not tested.
You said it yourself - 99% of you customers do not use it on that kind of track.
Jesus.
Ask people that road race how many times they almost run out of gas even though the "light" was on.
Different kind of racing Al.
It is my estimation that it will easily last for MORE than a full tank of gas
I have already given my advice on the matter - when road racing kerep an eye on the red warning light and immediately pit if the level goes below 1/3 and the red light comes on
I am done with this discussion - its wasting too much of my time
I think everyone gets the point - thanks
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