excellent point. The hypocrisy thickens.

Its amazing how hard Al tries to concoct excuses for skipping out on certain events that he does not think his car would "shine" in. He probably realizes that his business is probably threatened by the potential outcome of such an event . . . but hey, so is every other tuner's. I say stop with the excuses, "justifications," and other assorted BS, and get in on the competition.

 

As for our customer released products . . . . they have been tested extenively at high speed use on dynos and on the road and we know that they work well and safely. How do we know this ? We have 700 reflashed evos out there without any incidence of problems or failures.

Its my beleve that we can very safely duplicae extreme engine operating conditions in other situations that do not invlove racing each other on a road course . . . . . e.g. driving up long hills on Rt 101 repeatedly applying the breaks and accelerating in 4th gear over and over (thats a very good way to flog the car and see how it reacts under high heat and loads)

All I can really say on this matter is that my road course enjoying clients e.g. Robi, and Derek and others all reported great sucess with both our custom tuned reflash and the through the mail version

Just because I enjoy doing drag racing and fast street driving though mountian passes does not mean that my product development stops at the drag strip. I have traveled all over these United States and have tuned evos in almost every climate, altitude and condtitions.

One important point to remember - if you drive your car off the road on a mountain canyon - your insurance is going to cover the repair. If you wreck your car at the track its a total loss that you have to shoulder. If you can not afford to loose your evo then you have no business on the track - and that is one of the resons you will not see me at the track

 

I think I have been fairly consistant in the fact that I do not go road racing and I think my reasons are fairly clear for why I choose not to engage in that kind of activity.

Unlike other so called "tuner" cars - my car continues to drive all over the east coast on its own power (not on a trailer) and it somehow manages to place very well or win most of the events I attend

The only difference is the events I attend are real contests where its open to anyone who shows up

 

The real hypocracy BTW - is on Shiv - who by all reports drives like a raving lunatic when he test driveswith his customers. I think his questioning my driving speeds is like the pot calling the kettle black - IMHO

Fast driver - YES

Road Racer - not yet

 

I belive the shootout would be fair if every tuner drove their own shop tuned car. I understand what you are saying Al but I would have more faith in a product and its tuner if he could actually drive his car in an event.

 

Al has drove his car in many events.

Really? i would have more faith if it was randomly done car. Just say they had 2 stock evos that dynoed the exact same number. 1 had dyno flash the other had vishu's flash. then test the 2 cars see how they perform.

I still dont see how this test the tuner? if you want to test the tuner let them both turn the same evo and see how gets higher numbers on the dyno, better gas milage stuff like that.

How does driver skill test the tuner? If some is a good drive and can barely tune beats a better tuner but not as good of a driver how does that make them a better tuner?

Im not picking on anyones driving skills by the way i have no room to talk.

 

There's no need for useless comments like that. If you want to post like that in here then don't post at all.

Mark

 

Maybe i should clarify what hypocrisy means. But its not really worth my time so I'll make it quick.

You back out of road racing for safety's sake, which is contradictory to the way you tune cars. Thats what is hypocritical.

Shiv does indeed drive like a raging lunatic, but that isn't inconsistent with anything hes said or done. It may be inconsistent with what YOU claim to believe.

 

Here comes the German Army. I apologize, and understand if you need to remove my posts, AGAIN.

Heil.

 

The EvoM tuner shootout that we're trying to setup will be open to all tuners and even privateers. The sessions will be separated, but we'll still have an overall winner as well as class winners (Tuner vs. Privateer)

Mark

 

i know its funny all the tuners dont participate in all of the events. what does shivs car do in the 1/4 mile?

 

At least there is going to be a contest which is cool! I appreciate KK's efforts in organizing this event and I think its going to be good for all evo owners!

I think if I want to have a SCC USC type contest open to all comers I am going to have to finance it myself and orgainize the whole thing myself

I have been dreaming of such a event for a long time - and I even thought of doing it as the "EVO vs. STI Ultimate Tuner Shootout"

 

If it were on the east coast or at least in the middle of the US - then I would show up - even if I drove slowly - just to make the scene - but a trans contnental drive to try and compete against professional race car drivers on a unfamiliar road cousre is not my idea of a good time

 

Maybe Shiv will come and grace up all with his presnse at the DSM shootout in Norwalk Ohio on August 15

One month away

The tuners attending that I know of

Sparco / Apexi
AMS
Buschur Racing
Ultimate Racing
Dyno Flash

Turbo Trix - Not allowed in Evo class but possible running in Quick 16 race

 

Al-
No one is trying to insult or attack you so please no need to make such remarks. I, and others, just want to see you play ball with the rest of us in what should be a very enjoyable event. The reasons you have provided regarding your nonparticipation doesn't compliment what you've said or done in the past. That's all.

Best Regards,
Shiv