No doubt! It doesn't really worry me about modding the car but it WILL change my view when buying my next car. I really hope they realize this.

I haven't had much trouble out of my local dealership other than taking 1.5 hours to change the oil (which I now do myself)... but I highly doubt I'll buy another Mitsu.

 

i have never done buissnes with mr.al but have call him a few times with questions and some problems i had with my evo after my mods.mr.al was very helpfull.with mitsu a turbo timer will void your warranty.my evo is heavy moded,my passenger window quit workind and they fix it under warranty.i dont know 2 much about the tuners out there.i have only delt with dave (buschur) and aniel pagan @ap racing.for what i have seen in here everyone wants there cake and eat it 2.if you are going to mod you can expect your pocket to be your warranty.also i see mr.al going out of his way for a lot of people.my 2 cents.thank you

 

dumb question maybe but... have ya reset the ECU?

 

nah - its just bad gasonline I guess. I think the Evo is a high perf car and needs good gasoline. I dont make the mistake of filling cheap local gas anymore. It needs to be something good. OFFTOPIC: do those octane boosters work? It's hot as ***** in FL and I can understand why its pinging. But whhat do you guys recommend for octane boosters in a can ?

Krunal

 

ahh ok.. i thought you meant you just ran some bad gas once, and now are having problems still.. although i just get 91 **** here in cali.. haven't heard any pinging yet.

as far as canned octane boosters - from what i understand, those only raise your octane level like a few "points " for each can - each point is .1 i believe??? have you looked into buying xylene or toulene from the hardware store? its way cheaper and sounds like awesome results from all the reading i have done on it.. haven't tried it myself yet though if you do a search you'll find tons of info!!

 

Tolulene. Good octane booster. Component of most gasolines. Read here:
http://evo.jedinite.com/toluene.html

I tried it. Worked fine. No problems, but I don't think I used enough. I used only about 1/2 gallon to 10 gallons of 93 octane. Next time I will try a whole gallon. Bought it at Sherwin Williams paint store for about $8.00 per gallon. Lowes and Home Depot do not sell it (at least around here).

Tolulene is a solvent/paint thinner type substance. Has a unique smell. Oddly enough, the 100 octane unleaded Sunoco race gas I bought today smells the same. Interesting. Car is noticeably faster with 100 octane race gas vs. 93 octane pump gas.

EVOlutionary

 

I just read this and I really don't feel like reading the entire thread. All I have to say is that your stupid. First of all if you were getting major service done you should have mailed your ecu back to get it flashed back to stock and you should have sent AL a pm not post a thread. I'm sorry if thie was already stated, but I,m lazy right now.

 

is mitsu gonna freak on a BOV, Intake and gauges? Geez, these guys scare me now...

 

If it were me , I would just take that stuff off the car before you submit the car to them for service or repair

I have had my evo now for over a year and a half and I have never had it at a stealership - once !

 

sorry i took a while to get back. I had taken off my MBC when i went into the mitsu dealer. I wasnt going to leave that on cause i know thats against warranty. Al, i got the EVO MR BOV i got rid of the cheap plastic stock one. Boost leak is still there. And you know how i know there is a problem?? After you reflashed the ECU, the car ran much smoother with less engine noise/knock i would say. Now the car sounds like it has vtec. I cant come up to CT again man, thats a hike. Plus im sure im going to have to pay for my car to get put on the dyno, and im not going to pay for it. So, i dont know how you want to handle this... But if you want, ill send my ECU and reflash it to stock and refund me, or we gotta meet up somewhere and get this fixed. Im sorry i blew up on you al, but im pretty damn mad that my car has no more warranty, im sure you understand that. Waiting to hear from you.

 

As I posted back a couple of weeks ago in the begining of this thread - just give me a call and we will work out a solution. To date I have not heard from you. I am happy to try and find out where your boost leak is comming from, but obviously I will need to have the car here to do that. I do not think that your car will need to go back on the dyno as it was holding boost fine on the dyno. The problem only arose on the road test after the dyno. If the MR valve is not resolving that condition that you were having then I have a few more ideas on what it can be which will entail doing some diagnostic testing - again all of which is done off the dyno. In fact - I am fairly confident that I know exactly what is wrong - now that we ruled out a leaking bov which seemed the most likely culprit.

I can resolve your boost issue - you will just need to take some initiative to call me - make an appointment and bring the car so I can go through it.

I will not charge you for the diagostic time and repair as you are a buddy of PAcop who is a valued customer or ours. However - fixing boost problems and leaks is not really our responsibility - UNLESS we installed the parts such as boost controller, etc. I am willing to work with you - but you need to take a more constructive approach.

 

I just wanted to add another comment here.

Those who may be interetsed in this condition - please read this thread here

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=102316

In that case it took us some time to track down a problem which a customer was having - in that case - Spark Plugs - which really had nothing to do with out product or tuning

In ALL cases we are willing to work with our customers and resolve the issue for them.

I love my evo as many of you do and I can totally understand how frustrated and upset people can become when their car is not running properly. I can feel the same way and often do myself - especially after a weekend I had last weekend when a collant leak ended my race.

I think however - it is important when dealing with vendors to give them a resonable chance to resolve your problems before you start posting threads like this one.

By not calling me sooner to discuss your experience with the new MR valve I recomended and working with me to find a resolution to the condition you are having you are doing both yourself and myself a great diservice.

Those who are interested in how situtaions like this present themsleves and are fixed - take a look at the thread I posted a link to above. It shows how a simple spark plug carbon trace lead to a 4 hour diagnostic ordeal. Through persistance and keeping a cool head we tracked down the propblem and the car was was running like a swiss watch at the end.

Thanks

 

A few probably unpopular thoughts:

1. Anyone looking at ZeroFrost's exhaust system knows the car's been modded. Even without knowing about the flash, they could make the case that altering afterpressure causes engine stress and thereby voiding the engine warranty. Argueable, anyway.

2. Anyone modifying their car is voiding their warranty, at least on that part of the car. The only question is whether the dealer will know it. I agree that you are only voiding that which the mod effects, not the entire car, but looking at the case in #1, there may be some judgement call as to extent.

3. I know a guy in the area that regularly drag races his (stock) Evo and complains to the dealer that his clutch is defective. Please.

4. Also seems unethical to pretend the car is stock to the dealer when it's not, whether you like them or not, think they're competent or not, or like their profit margin or not. It's a misrepresentation, period.

Flame away.
Doug in Cincinnati

 

acctually the works P2 comes with a three year warranty, the dynoflash guarrantee is for only two weeks. and in corection they will re-flash your ecu for free for additional mods, i have a P2 and they done it for me. oh and i paid $ 538 for my P2 and when you figure in have to but a mbc with your dynoflash to eliminate boost taper thats like another $90, so acctually you spent more. boost taper is gone with the P2 and works can set your boost where you want it, like i run 21psi. it is a great feature seeing that some dealers will give you a hassle for have a mbc on your car and it makes the P2 truely invisible.

just thought i would bring light to your comment because it isn't exactly accurate.

 

I raced a nicely modded car with a P2 flash (on the 1/4) and blew him away. His best time for the night was in the mid 14s. Sure, there is a lot of room for driver error, but 14s?

This is not at all a knock on Works; they seem to be a great company. But I was not impressed with thier product; especially for the price. Three year warranty is impressive though; I'll give them that.

Not to mention, like many people on here, I allready had my MBC way before Al tuned my car. So my tune was actually about $100 cheaper and I LOVE IT (which is by far the most improtant part). Also, for that money I got a custom tune not a through-the-mail flash.

Thanks for the correction though.