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Old Jul 24, 2012 | 03:18 PM
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Jacking the throttle seems to be a moot point with a type -s single spring mod. Car still hits 40 kpa in the mani. I don't have my pre throttle gauge in but yOu can clearly hear air venting from the bov. I don't have a recirc fitting installed. Going to get #1 priority done and get a new uicp fitting welded and try that..
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 06:29 AM
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You're going through uncharted territories, testing factory ALS :]
I suggest that you get an electric, switchable throttle kick, percentage of kick varies since most cars have different base throttle, I'd usually aim for 2500-3000rpm at idle.
You must try it and enrich fuel at low load, I'm very curious whether the ecu would comply or not! I also, strongly recommend that you do tests with no POV installed.

Standalones: Motec has very decent ALS controls since it was originally designed for rally cars, but I'm currently interested in AEM, mainly because it has knock control which many other stand alones lack, but I know very little about it, it's rarely used in my region. It would be a good choice if its knock control is at least as good & configurable as stock ECUs & if its ALS is as good as Haltec's & Motec's...etc
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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 06:58 AM
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It certainly does richer up I was seeing between 10.5 and 11.5 with 25% throttle . When jacked to 3000 I read only to 18%. I also noted that it is I'm possible to control idle with the launch fuel cut so my best bet may be to set the nlts to subtract te appropriate amount of rpm to keep idle down to 1500ish aswe. Air injection is so much more friendly lol .. Throttle kick is much less feasible as we are at this point

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Old Jul 25, 2012 | 09:44 PM
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Foxbat what stops you from using the pin on a standalone for the electric kick to run the sas?
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 02:39 AM
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Foxbat what stops you from using the pin on a standalone for the electric kick to run the sas?
I'm not sure I understand the question correctly, ALS on a stand alone is usually wired a to an ecu assigned switch, it's possible to wire the electric kick to the same switch, so you won't have high idle unless ALS is engaged. Two main types of throttle kick, electric which is basically a magnetic motor & the other is an air solenoid type, we often use sas solenoid & canister (from evos) to form a throttle kick even on Subarus.

I don't know of any stand alone that do control sas, I looked into Motecs & Links, both software don't contain sas tables. I read claims that AEM EMS has sas control.
With more than adquate ALS capability of many stand alones, sas won't be needed & often is simply removed.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe410
That consensus aside, the rom still needs to function correct? I'm only concerned about the rom in this thread.
8858 for evo ix.

Fox I'll type my ideas later On my way to work now
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Old Jul 29, 2012 | 09:31 AM
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I orders two of each -12 and -16 weld on bungs for the sas valve. Going to weld to the sas and uicp and run some serious hosery! Good boost proof solution IMHO .

Foxbat pay attention to the max rich afr vs coolant tableine was set to 8.4 at full temp where I had max rich 7.x that seems like it would hold back fuel delivery.

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Old Jul 29, 2012 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by donner
You don't need to use DMA functions but when tuning big 3d VE map you should To use it as normal rom just set all pointers to rom addresses.

Download 88586714 rom with xml's from www.petterimutteri.fi
ok ive been sifting through this rom, and I frankly dont understand what I need to change to make sure everything is in ROM.

i see the pointers, but what do I change?

Also, Im seeing some odd timing results





my piping looks very similar to this now except the main tube is the same size as the tubes that are feeding each bank. Maybe I can revise this too

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Old Jul 30, 2012 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 211ratsbud
I orders two of each -12 and -16 weld on bungs for the sas valve. Going to weld to the sas and uicp and run some serious hosery! Good boost proof solution IMHO .

Foxbat pay attention to the max rich afr vs coolant tableine was set to 8.4 at full temp where I had max rich 7.x that seems like it would hold back fuel delivery.
Looking at 8859 rom, I can't seem to find that table! Can the 8.4 number be lowered?
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Old Jul 30, 2012 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by foxbat
Looking at 8859 rom, I can't seem to find that table! Can the 8.4 number be lowered?
It's pretty far down in the rom. Ill have to look again to be sure. Which 8859 rom are you looking at?

88592715 is the sd Rom I use

I noticed it after I tried throttle kicking. I did adjust it but didn't verify the changes

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Old Jul 30, 2012 | 07:59 PM
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Got the -16 and -12 bungs in. The idea is to create a good source that can adapt to different configurations and experimental ideas. I think I'll go with the -16 an hose for air supply.

Putting -20 in cells where revving in neutral would hit spools the turbo and my bov vents a lot . This happens with light application of throttle and kinda sounds like the no lag video posted by boosted rs. I shal take video.
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Old Jul 31, 2012 | 03:31 AM
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Once you're ready, you should do with & without a bov runs for comparison, WRC evo didn't contain a bov, also factory ALS produced more boost without a bov on Subarus.
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Old Jul 31, 2012 | 04:03 AM
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yes. video please.
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Old Jul 31, 2012 | 08:38 AM
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Alrighty, I'll see if I can con my wife into holding the iPhone while I demonstrate. I actual tested this by tuning my launch maps. I thought it would pop and bang lightly on the way up. Didn't sound to abnormal and I ended up scrapping this idea because it didn't gain any extra boost once on launch control

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Old Aug 1, 2012 | 04:41 PM
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Fox did you see the table coolant temp vs afr table?

Haven't had a chance to tool around much yet, I'm trying to dial in my ecu boost.

You think normal flexible hydraulic line can bring air to the manifold? What's the Goodrich stuff made of? A full 1" supply line should feed fine

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