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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 07:51 PM
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Do you have a pic of the hotside??
Yes! Below are a couple of pics of the kit when I received it from Tab-Fabrications




and here is a pic of it next to my previouse red!

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Also there nothing about a 63 AR HOUSING VBAND STYLE.
Yes they do offer them, however, they might not be in stock at the moment.
http://www.tialsport.com/prod%20ss%20turbo.html#sgt3035
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tbtalon94
Yes it is a .63 housing. I can dig out pictures if
You really don't believe.
They all get it. hes just talking bout the power. thats all.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg130
They all get it. hes just talking bout the power. thats all.
That was nice of him to go out of his way to get these pics for information..But the power is way under for a hta 3586 that' 30 r power.My 6262 made alot more power on 29 psi with little * around what 92 oct is tuned for..How come??
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason@Spec-Ops
If you'd guys would like to post your MIVEC maps, I'd be happy to look at them. There is no skewing of the numbers as there is no need to, and not to mention, its on a DYNOJET.

The turbo is an HTA3586 that had been upgraded from a previous standard 35. He then had FP fit the .63 hotside on the car because he wanted to spool, which apparently works as you guys seem to think a Unicorn has landed.

For those of you posting your setups with spool rates, what gear are you in ? This is a 4th gear pull which may account for a bit of your spooling mystery. I typically only tune in 4th as I like having as much data as possible.
Jason, have you tried just having the mivec full on or full off?
does it make a difference to the mid range if it's part way?
I have mine full on @ 1500rpm and 2psi or higher boost, and off @ 5500rpm.

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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO IXMR
That was nice of him to go out of his way to get these pics for information..But the power is way under for a hta 3586 that' 30 r power.My 6262 made alot more power on 29 psi with little * around what 92 oct is tuned for..How come??
i dont know. but im pretty sure youll get your answer soon. I think there some goin on whit the shop All Aspects Motorsports in VA DJ they used. is a Dynojet Model 424xLC2 load bearing dyno. and apperently it reads low. But im pretty sure hell get it on another dyno or another DJ and clear this up.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:28 PM
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He'll get it on another DJ soon enough and is a rap. But im done here. yall take care
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg130
i dont know. but im pretty sure youll get your answer soon. I think there some goin on whit the shop All Aspects Motorsports in VA DJ they used. is a Dynojet Model 424xLC2 load bearing dyno. and apperently it reads low. But im pretty sure hell get it on another dyno or another DJ and clear this up.
You have been misinformed about d.j's dyno's there not load bearing like a mustang dyno...All d.j' dyno's read similar maybe between 2 to 5 whp in difference the d.j..There no control x button like a mustang or a d.d dyno. I was on recently was the same exact one.There's no such thing as a lower reading d.j from d.j to d.j.

http://www.dynojet.com/automotive_dy...o/default.aspx
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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On the power note, I don’t know much about what goes on behind the scenes when it comes to tunning, but I did purposely brought it up to Jason many times prior to the dyno, and during the dyno to take it easy on the car, I am not looking for big numbers until I build the motor However, I am more interested in a solid setup that would be powerful enough for the street, and most importantly safe!
Throwing it on another dyno might not be a bad deal sometime in the future, especially if it was a dyno jet as well so we could plot out a nice comparison between the two. But for now, I just would like to share what I have experienced and that’s all!
Cheers!
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:47 PM
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Also, if anyone knows of a similiar setup (hta86 +.63) please do share as I would love to see and compare. I did quite a bit of research for such a particular setup and couldnt find one.
Thanks!
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO IXMR
I read it the wrong way my bad on that one.Why is the power so low for almost 28 psi??The power doesn't match up to a 3586
Just to elaborate more on this dynojet, it initially was setup as the 424xLC2. For some reason Kienan from All Aspects told us that he had dynojet come out and set it up as the 424x and recalibrate it as it was having problems with the eddy current absorbers or something along those lines. I'm sure there is more to the story than that but honestly, it reads lower than any DJ we've seen. I asked Ali today if he wanted to go to another DJ that we think would read "normal" just to compare numbers and he basically said not really because hes happy with the car. .

The customer stated the following in his initial post: "Car put down 441whp & 356 wtrq @ 27.7 psi on 93 octane on SD with my request to Jason @ Spec Ops to keep it as conservative as possible as its my dd and i put around 100 miles/day on it." He asked on the dyno how things looked in the logs at that point, we gave him the data, and he said that was comfortable where it was at. We can sit here all day and make up excuses but at the end of the day Ali is happy with the way the car drives and feels on the street. If he had a built motor he said he would feel more comfortable with pushing it but it doesn't and he wanted it left where its at.

Personally, I'd never run this turbo with this hotside as it seems to choke the hell out of it but its something Ali wanted to try and he is happy with where its at.


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They all get it. hes just talking bout the power. thats all.
Thanks for specifying that. I hope the above post answered yours and his question about the power.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by detroit pistins
On the power note, I don’t know much about what goes on behind the scenes when it comes to tunning, but I did purposely brought it up to Jason many times prior to the dyno, and during the dyno to take it easy on the car, I am not looking for big numbers until I build the motor However, I am more interested in a solid setup that would be powerful enough for the street, and most importantly safe!
Throwing it on another dyno might not be a bad deal sometime in the future, especially if it was a dyno jet as well so we could plot out a nice comparison between the two. But for now, I just would like to share what I have experienced and that’s all!
Cheers!
I don't blame for not going nuts with the tune but usually at the boost (28) PSI THE CAR SHOULD HAVE MADE 500WHP EASY.There must be no * for this power level's all the really matters in the end is how you like the car!!!How does it feel on the street compared to the red you had..P.s There no feeling like a t3 turbo kit.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 09:05 PM
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The power seems LOW because of the .63 hotside... he sacrificed top end power for faster spool up... its as simple as that...

there are so many combinations for t3/t4 turbos... you cant sit here and think a hta3586 with .82 will make the the same power@same psi as a .63... you also cant think a .82 will spool the same as a .63 on it...

Originally Posted by EVO IXMR
I don't blame for not going nuts with the tune but usually at the boost (28) PSI THE CAR SHOULD HAVE MADE 500WHP EASY.There must be no * for this power level's all the really matters in the end is how you like the car!!!How does it feel on the street compared to the red you had..P.s There no feeling like a t3 turbo kit.
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO IXMR
You have been misinformed about d.j's dyno's there not load bearing like a mustang dyno...All d.j' dyno's read similar maybe between 2 to 5 whp in difference the d.j..There no control x button like a mustang or a d.d dyno. I was on recently was the same exact one.There's no such thing as a lower reading d.j from d.j to d.j.

http://www.dynojet.com/automotive_dy...o/default.aspx
Originally Posted by Spec-OpsMotorsports
Just to elaborate more on this dynojet, it initially was setup as the 424xLC2. For some reason Kienan from All Aspects told us that he had dynojet come out and set it up as the 424x and recalibrate it as it was having problems with the eddy current absorbers or something along those lines. I'm sure there is more to the story than that but honestly, it reads lower than any DJ we've seen. I asked Ali today if he wanted to go to another DJ that we think would read "normal" just to compare numbers and he basically said not really because hes happy with the car. .

Thanks for specifying that. I hope the above post answered yours and his question about the power.
EVO IX.... no Ive not been miss informed. read spec ops post and youll get what im saying. I know what your saying tho. A velocilometer is a velocilometer. but apparently that dyno reads low........... i dont know, never been there. Just telling you what ive heard from ppl that use it.... its whatever

MATT..... Talk to jason.... i got it!!!!!!!!!
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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and honestly we need to stop blaming the .63 hot side all together. Al this ppl are saying is that a regular 35r on pump with cams make 500 on pump with a .63 hot side plane and simple. the fact here is that that dyno is iffy. thats all. not me, cause i could care less. ALI IS WAY HAPPY and thats what matters. good on yall peace out....
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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg130
and honestly we need to stop blaming the .63 hot side all together. Al this ppl are saying is that a regular 35r on pump with cams make 500 on pump with a .63 hot side plane and simple. the fact here is that that dyno is iffy. thats all. not me, cause i could care less. ALI IS WAY HAPPY and thats what matters. good on yall peace out....
I hear ya but I guess like you said your saying from what you heard and this is what I'm saying and it's the truth there no such thing as a low reading d.j they all read basically the same from one dyno to the other..Maybe the d.j dyno he was using had a problem with the rollers and was throwing of the numbers but this one is new. I have been on 3 different d.j's are they all read with in 3 whp difference and even the same exact one as this at vinny ten racing nyc..Uncorrected 0 smoothing I even put it on 5 .Just curious how come you pulled it so early it would have been nice to see it go to 8 grand it has springs for it .??If this pull was done in 3rd gear you could minus 12 whp and 10 wtq this for your information detroit.

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