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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 05:40 PM
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I know people who have trapped over 135 on a modded single wally on E85 so it isnt that hard to believe they flow well. A LOT of people that have lackluster results on walbros are also people who buy them on ebay from whoever and probably have fake ones. the counterfeits are very hard to spot. A single modded 255 on a BAP should make well over 600whp on E85. If you are looking for more a dual pump setup is prob a good idea from the start. Dual wallys on a dual BAP would be super huge fuel flow.
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 05:48 PM
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I hope not Scott. I want to have at least one more summer on stock block before I have to rebuild. I would like to make a pass or two this year as well but I have no trailor for the car so I would have to drive it. I know what happens when I don't take extra percautions hahaha it will go boom. This is why I didn't want to run test and tune at the shootout last year. It would have been a long walk home for sure.
What I meant by dumping the laundry was racing and putting up some nice results I hope neither of us grenade this year. I also drive mine to the track and what not.
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 05:52 PM
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show me???????? show me proof that a DW outflows a walbro untouched.. if you do it will be a lie.. we have already done the testing..

If you want to deny the truth then that is your decision.. I have NOTHING to gain and NOTHING to lose by telling the truth on this forum regarding these products..

I do hate when false information gets thrown around though, and i have tons of proof that DW pump gets its *** kicked by a little old walbro 255 out of the box.

Do you seriously think id be wasting my time trying to tell you if it wasnt true?

not rewired, not modified, straight out of the box.. the dw300 gets its **** kicked in by a walbro 255.. i dont know how else to put it to you.. then when you punch the relief in the walbro its not even worth comparing.
I didnt say out of box to out of box. I said rewired to give the pump the juice it needs.

And every mans 545whp is different. Yours very different.
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 05:53 PM
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What I meant by dumping the laundry was racing and putting up some nice results I hope neither of us grenade this year. I also drive mine to the track and what not.
God forbid it happens to either of us but if something happens just give me a call we can find a trailer I got a truck to get us home.
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by batty200
I know people who have trapped over 135 on a modded single wally on E85 so it isnt that hard to believe they flow well. A LOT of people that have lackluster results on walbros are also people who buy them on ebay from whoever and probably have fake ones. the counterfeits are very hard to spot. A single modded 255 on a BAP should make well over 600whp on E85. If you are looking for more a dual pump setup is prob a good idea from the start. Dual wallys on a dual BAP would be super huge fuel flow.
That is good info to know, I know once I get around to doing a motor build I will go from 1450s to 2150s at some point in time. I want to make the most out of the system I can. Please explain why I would have to use a dual Bap system if I ran dual pumps? I mean it runs off the same circuit and except for the pumps themselves. Wouldn't it give the same strength only being split at the pump?

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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 06:12 PM
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I didnt say out of box to out of box. I said rewired to give the pump the juice it needs.

And every mans 545whp is different. Yours very different.
How is it different? 545 whp is 545 whp am I wrong? Only difference I could see is I am not running a built block I am still on a stock block, stock head with upgraded valvetrain. Badev0 makes 629 whp on a motor thats basically untouched. How would that be any different from a car makeing the same amount of power?
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cursedsm
How is it different? 545 whp is 545 whp am I wrong? Only difference I could see is I am not running a built block I am still on a stock block, stock head with upgraded valvetrain. Badev0 makes 629 whp on a motor thats basically untouched. How would that be any different from a car makeing the same amount of power?
I will be very curious to see your trap speeds. If BadevO is trapping 138 maybe touch 140 with his newfound power on slicks and full interior then we have a good benchmark.

Although Tom's full weight car went 131 with 630whp. So who knows. I do admire this stock block push it till it pops mentality though. Its fun.

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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 07:20 PM
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I will be very curious to see your trap speeds. If BadevO is trapping 138 maybe touch 140 with his newfound power on slicks and full interior then we have a good benchmark.

Although Tom's full weight car went 131 with 630whp. So who knows. I do admire this stock block push it till it pops mentality though. Its fun.

One thing to consider though Tom's car weighs more and so does Scotts. Haveing an RS has the advantage being the car does weigh less and then some other things for weight loss. I am not as extensive as Scotts car, but with roll down windows, no sound deadening, no sealer, no matt under the carpet and nothing else in the trunk, with weight loss of coil overs, nto3's, mini battery etc. Now when I bought my car the title out of Ohio had the cars weight and right on the title says 2910 curb weight. Idk if that is actual or not being I haven't weighed the car yet as it sits, but if my car weighs 3175 I should still be close.

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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by asubennett
I didnt say out of box to out of box. I said rewired to give the pump the juice it needs.

And every mans 545whp is different. Yours very different.
out of the box the standard rewire walbro vs dw300.. dw300 still bites the dust..

my 380whp traps 116-117mph

my 540whp traps 128ish

as for my personal car.. no idea what power it was when it trapped 131.72

continue on with your ignorant responses though..
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by asubennett
I will be very curious to see your trap speeds. If BadevO is trapping 138 maybe touch 140 with his newfound power on slicks and full interior then we have a good benchmark.

Although Tom's full weight car went 131 with 630whp. So who knows. I do admire this stock block push it till it pops mentality though. Its fun.

what makes you think i was at 630 at the track? do you know something i dont? lol.

just read this: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/9926968-post133.html

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Old Feb 8, 2012 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by cursedsm
God forbid it happens to either of us but if something happens just give me a call we can find a trailer I got a truck to get us home.
I doubt anything will happen. I have AAA though with 4 free 100 mile tows a year was good to have back when I drove dsms.
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Old Feb 8, 2012 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
out of the box the standard rewire walbro vs dw300.. dw300 still bites the dust..

my 380whp traps 116-117mph

my 540whp traps 128ish

as for my personal car.. no idea what power it was when it trapped 131.72

continue on with your ignorant responses though..
You're funny how defensive and upset you get about your vdr numbers and trap speeds. Its one thread after another.

I didnt come in here to argue with you. Just shocked as are others that you pushed a single wally on E85 to 550whp. Im dying to see the traps and if they match. Wish Mellon or Emery or Mitch or English Racing would pop in to discuss the real limits of a walbro on E85. People are going to think based on your advice this is a normal and acceptable push when it's not at all.

And with proper electrical rewire a DW flows way more than a Wally. You cant deny that. It's fact.
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Old Feb 8, 2012 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cursedsm
That is good info to know, I know once I get around to doing a motor build I will go from 1450s to 2150s at some point in time. I want to make the most out of the system I can. Please explain why I would have to use a dual Bap system if I ran dual pumps? I mean it runs off the same circuit and except for the pumps themselves. Wouldn't it give the same strength only being split at the pump?
The dual BAP is designed to handle double the amperage and it has two circuits on it. It is only $15 more than a single BAP so if you buy one it is almost a no brainer to buy the dual unit. You can leave the second circuit unhooked until needed. Two pumps would kill a single BAP. I wasnt suggesting two seperate units.
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Old Feb 8, 2012 | 10:24 AM
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You're funny how defensive and upset you get about your vdr numbers and trap speeds. Its one thread after another.

I didnt come in here to argue with you. Just shocked as are others that you pushed a single wally on E85 to 550whp. Im dying to see the traps and if they match. Wish Mellon or Emery or Mitch or English Racing would pop in to discuss the real limits of a walbro on E85. People are going to think based on your advice this is a normal and acceptable push when it's not at all.

And with proper electrical rewire a DW flows way more than a Wally. You cant deny that. It's fact.
how many times do i have to say it until it registers? the afr was in the 13's when he did this.. do you get it now? the afr's were not normal when the power was made.. things were being overrun.

same reason the car is now dialed down, because i dont want the mixture that lean.. even though you can run e85 that lean at higher RPM without any ill repercussions, i choose not to because it gives very little room for error if a injector would lose its spray pattern or something else stupid occurs.

I never said it was normal or acceptable.. you need to read before hitting the submit reply button.. this isn't the first time i mentioned the AFR to you either, scroll up and read!

I already stated 480-520ish is where the single maxes out at on a dynojet.

the only way a DW could flow more then a walbro is maybe if you take a kenne bell boost-a-pump to it.. MAYBE ..

But you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if they are all but dead equal even with the boost a pump.. at the end of the day the walbro 255 does more then most people think.. and you're a perfect example of one of those people.
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Old Feb 8, 2012 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tscompusa
how many times do i have to say it until it registers? the afr was in the 13's when he did this.. do you get it now? the afr's were not normal when the power was made.. things were being overrun.

same reason the car is now dialed down, because i dont want the mixture that lean.. even though you can run e85 that lean at higher RPM without any ill repercussions, i choose not to because it gives very little room for error if a injector would lose its spray pattern or something else stupid occurs.

I never said it was normal or acceptable.. you need to read before hitting the submit reply button.. this isn't the first time i mentioned the AFR to you either, scroll up and read!

I already stated 480-520ish is where the single maxes out at on a dynojet.

the only way a DW could flow more then a walbro is maybe if you take a kenne bell boost-a-pump to it.. MAYBE ..

But you know what? I wouldn't be surprised if they are all but dead equal even with the boost a pump.. at the end of the day the walbro 255 does more then most people think.. and you're a perfect example of one of those people.
If you go back and re read through every post the only one losing their cool has been you. AMS has proven the DW flows more with a higher availability of juice. MAP has pushed a single rewired DW to 600 plus whp with liw 12 afr's. You just said the Wally safely maxes out at 520 but pushed your customers car to 550, hopefully at his request. If you admit the wally maxes out at 520 and can achieve 550 with to lean of afrs how can map push the dw into 600hp with mu ruchet afr's if the pumps are equal?

Its just a question. You dont always need to jumo diwn the throats of people whose questioning paints your thoughts and ideas into a different camp. Its a car forum and good discussion should be encouraged oposed to preaching as gospel when the data is perfectly sound.
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