Atp And Ams
Originally Posted by RnR Racing
Eric, I think we should do that. One of your customers with your GT35R kit and one of our customers with the GT35R kit. Then anyone else that is interested in putting their kit to the test. ATP, Buschur, etc
Then we can POSSIBLY end the debate of which is the best kit.
Then we can POSSIBLY end the debate of which is the best kit.
Originally Posted by Az3ar
eh I am only 25 
.. superz, please read my posts and you will realize that AMS is the winner for sure (I have said that). I am not defending ATP kit I am saying the truth. Alex (as you see in the begging of the thread) is spreading lies and rumors based on no facts. I had to chim in because his posts are un-true. I have seen and drove the AMS kit and the ATP so I am writing here from experience unlike Alex.
.. superz, please read my posts and you will realize that AMS is the winner for sure (I have said that). I am not defending ATP kit I am saying the truth. Alex (as you see in the begging of the thread) is spreading lies and rumors based on no facts. I had to chim in because his posts are un-true. I have seen and drove the AMS kit and the ATP so I am writing here from experience unlike Alex.2) You ARE defending the ATP, really, based on nothing. You make these "assertions" that are contrary to what the research and development of shops like AMS, VIshnu, and Buschur have realized, and keep pressing over and over and over that what you are saying is true.
3) What does "begging of the thread" mean?
4) If you are basing your experience on a "butt-dyno" driving of the two, you should probably understand that that is grossly inaccurate. First of all, after a certain amount of horsepower, having more or less power is REALLY hard to gauge just by "intuition." Second, many psychological factors play into your conlusion that the ATP is making only "a little" less power than the AMS. Its only natural i guess since you've invested a lot of money AND a long *** drive up to the bay area to get that turbo kit tuned, that you try and find any reason you can to convince yourself that the money was well spent. Cognitive dissonance is a mother.
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From: Nor Cal
Originally Posted by fre
Which dyno are you referring to when you say 330-350whp? My car feels at about 360-370whp on a dynojet, but I have stock cams. With cams I should be able to be around 400whp as I thought originally. Will get dynoed on Friday.
Smoggy had his car done there also and pulled about 330 hp on the DD dyno, then pulled 365 on a dynojet with no changes.
In Idaho, i hope u have better gasoline then here in Cali...
Ur better off runnin 91 with a little race gas mixxed in....maybe gonig up to 95 octane..as BIG turbo EVOs make LOWWW power on the gas we have around here.
Originally Posted by DSMotorsport
I would SEVERLY dispute that AMS, buschur's, vischnu's kits make 100hp gain going from pumpgas to racegas. I haven't seen any dyno or track proof to support anywhere near that large of a gain. 45-50hp maybe.
Eric
Originally Posted by Mark S
I have just done a AMS GT35R kit on a 2.227lt engine on 102ron fuel 636hp 568ftlb atf on a engine dyno at 2.4bar boost, Just started driving it on road at 2.500rpm touch the accel peddle .5bar there instant fantastic driveabiltly, just need to bed RPS clutch in so I can start testing it, The RPS carbon drives like a stock clutch even the Wife can drive the car, SO Far I am Very happy with both.
Mark
Mark
Oh and RNR we would be more then up for doing that.
Eric
Last edited by AutoMotoSports; Dec 13, 2004 at 04:46 PM.
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From: OXNARD
Originally Posted by Mark S
I have just done a AMS GT35R kit on a 2.227lt engine on 102ron fuel 636hp 568ftlb atf on a engine dyno at 2.4bar boost, Just started driving it on road at 2.500rpm touch the accel peddle .5bar there instant fantastic driveabiltly, just need to bed RPS clutch in so I can start testing it, The RPS carbon drives like a stock clutch even the Wife can drive the car, SO Far I am Very happy with both.
Mark
Mark
Thank you for the RPS purchase, we know that your wife enjoys the clutch in the car but the real question is...can your Grandma drive it?
Cheers,
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Originally Posted by HREVO
Lol anything to back it up though? How/why is AMS better than ATP other than it is more shiny? I know most people think it is better, but any reasons?
Originally Posted by Mark S
I have just done a AMS GT35R kit on a 2.227lt engine on 102ron fuel 636hp 568ftlb atf on a engine dyno at 2.4bar boost, Just started driving it on road at 2.500rpm touch the accel peddle .5bar there instant fantastic driveabiltly, just need to bed RPS clutch in so I can start testing it, The RPS carbon drives like a stock clutch even the Wife can drive the car, SO Far I am Very happy with both.
Mark
Mark
Gee, I have a feeling the GT35R with a well built stroker is going to be the hot combo for the guys with a fat budget.
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From: Germany
Originally Posted by AutoMotoSports
obviously on different boost levels but on pump gas at one bar we did 400 whp. Then on C16 at 28psi we made 550 whp. I have dyno charts to prove it.
Eric
Eric
people should see that not the gas makes the hp but the higher boost that the
engine takes easier with the higher octane
probably the car would have close to 550whp even on pump at 28psi but would blow
