Wow, just checked the price of Buscher's DLI .....gulp...... it IS a lot of money..... but I can see where it would be necessary in the event that the stock unit could not supply the proper juice.......

I know that for a while there I was very busy (self employed....) and was throwing tons of money into the car and then things went a little dry..... summer.........and I've had to cut back.

I can understand Josh too, he's wrestling with a tranny leak and that's surely frustrating. I know most people would rather be spending money on go fast mods rather than repairs.

Well, I've come to the conclusion that I like ALL you guys. Aren't we lucky that we're all "perfectly imperfect" and we sometimes do or say things that don't always put us in the best light with our peers. When it's all said and done, we should count ourselves lucky that we have the opportunity to play with such nice toys, even though they may or may not be our daily driver and have the good and not so good input of a passionate community of likeminded peers.

In the infamous words of an ordinary man, under crappy circumstances:

"Can't we all just get along?!


The sermon is over, go in Peace.........

Tony

 

Tony, They are $500 at Buschur, but he is out of stock for another few weeks. It is a two minute install after you spend five minutes figuring out where you want to mount it (mine is next to the battery). It is truely plug and play.

I wouldn't get it unless you start to misfire and I didn't notice any at all when your car was on the dyno. Bob had a problem with his missing up top, so he might want to consider it.

On my car, I had the plugs gapped at 22 and was still killing spark at 21-22 psi as you saw at the track . I could have just put in better plugs, but I figured why risk it.

Come on Josh, add something intelligent instead of your cheap shots.

But to answer your question, not really. The only thing that was unplanned was the DLI and I blame Malibu Jack for that . I think 45,000 miles and over 50 times down the 1/4 mile is more than enough to expect out of the stock clutch. I've always planned to replace the clutch and add alky. BTW, the stock actuator on my car starts to open at 12 psi of boost, so it can't be expected to do much.

If you have a cheaper way to double the whp without using NOS, I'm interested.

 

If you're insinuating that this turbo is a WR, it is not. Just count the number of blades on the compressor wheel.

 

Yep, 6 instead of 5. And I think that Robertinaustin said that is was a reverse copy of another wheel, but I may be wrong. Is that correct Robert? And it being a copy is not an insinuation of it being good or bad, just what I thought I had read.

 

One of the guys that helped with the design is a former employee of one of the big turbo companies and now designs turbos for his own company. He is very aware of back pressure. The wheel is actually smaller than the original design and the exducer was reshaped to address the back pressure issues. IIRC, the housing will almost hold a 65 lb wheel.

The timing is what it is. This turbo has been talked about and in planning since Bob ordered his turbo kit last fall. I think the WR and the fact that he bought an MR three weeks ago spurred Mohammad to push the development. You'll also notice that Buschur is now in final development of his 20G and I'm sure this is in someway a response to the WR and SS55, wether Dave admits it or not.

I don't mind answering questions and will be happy to do so to the best of my knowledge. I'm sure if I can't answer it, Mohammad can. I just tire of the snide comments and the regurgitation of someone else’s opinion. Especially someone else that works for a direct competitor of this turbo. What a shock, they claim it is a bad design and won't work well. How objective are they really. Frankly, how can anyone even offer much of an opinion seeing how the only example in existence is on my car.

Ultimately, this turbo will be successful if it performs. If it doesn't, then noone will want one.

The more choices the EVO community has, the better in my opinion and I think most probably share that view. Ultimately, competition makes everyone better.

 

"Seemed convenient"..."I have made assumptions"..."as this one seems to be using" Hey! It's really great that you are using such scientific methods at reaching your considered opinion.

 

Joey, You're correct. The wheel was orginally designed for a standard turbo. The design was reversed and modified slightly to address back pressure concerns. I can guaranty you that this is not a copy of the WR. As noted above, the WR is a 5 blade design and the SS55 is a 6 blade design. Though I have not compared them side by side, I would also be willing to bet that there are major differences in the blade shape.

As I've posted, I don't mind answering questions to the best of my knowledge and I'll keep posting as things develope. I just ask that those with an agenda start their own thread.

 

The interesting thing is that Mohammad is a big fan of the WR, as am I. We both saw it first hand on Tony's car and were impressed. If you search for my post, you'll see that I think the WR is a great upgrade option. I also look forward to the FP3065 and seeing what it will do on an EVO.

If things work out well, then the SS55 will be another viable option. Some my like, while I'm sure others won't.

I think what spurred people into action was the response from the EVO community to a bolt-on turbo upgrade. As of now, the WR is the only available option, but I expect that there will be 4 or 5 in a few months including the SS55 and Buschur 20G.

In the end, the more choices we have, the better.

 

Quick update since we got a little side tracked. I'll post up some dyno sheets later this week from a dyno day we did at MZM on Saturday. We were planning on running race gas in my car with 28 psi, but my clutch started slipping. Also, the forge actuator would not hold 30 psi. It actually held less than the stocker. Thanks to Jarrod at Buschur for helping me out with this one. He is trying to figure out what spring we have and what we need.

 

It's like watching a freaking soap opera!!! So who's Susan Lucci I wonder

Back on topic,

Robert, when you going to have the clutch sorted out and back on the rollers? I'd still like to see you and Tony duel it out (in a gentlemanly manner). I suspect you will have alky on soon?

 

As you know, we all tend to be friends so the competition is friendly. Hopefully the clutch will go in Wednesday and I'll probably order an alky kit this week. I'm sure Bob won't be far behind on both counts. We'll maybe a little far behind because he is old and slow (not his car though). After ridding with Tony, I knew that running 21-22 psi just wouldn't do any more.

Tony and I both are having WG issues. He gets more, but can't hold it and I can't get over 22-23 psi. Hopefully we can both get that figured out this week as well.

 

So are both fp and buschur using the Forge upgraded wastegate? I know AVO sells one as well http://www.avoevo.com/ go to the Evolution VII/VIII section and find it. Hey it's hardly scientific but highly constructive

 

Tony said he thought that FP was sending out whatever actuator Tim used to make 440 whp and he didn't know which brand. I believe Dave uses his own upgraded actuator and that is what I wanted, but they did not have any in stock.

I just got off the phone with Jarrod at Buscher and Forge is drop-shipping me the upgraded spring . Anyone need parts, you can't go wrong with Buschur. If you're looking for HKS DLI, they should have more in stock in 4 to 6 weeks (everyone is out and HKS is on backorder).

 

$280 for a wastegate actuator godddddddddamnnnnnnnn!

Does it work? Holding 22psi to redline?

 

Logic Performance sells the Forge Wastegate Actuator for $170. the one on the AVO website looks like the stock WB actuator. Looks like everything at AVO really pricey, just my opinion.