Transmission failiure
Originally posted by mad_VIII
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Got a pm from easyrider (the one that pointed me to the tsb) he mentioned an easy test:
apply a slight amount of pressure to the clutch pedal while the noise is going on (just enough to take some load off the clutch), if the noise stops....... there you have it.
Now, I'm not too inclined to try this on full decel, but I can make mine do it at a no load state as well, just ballanced between no acceleration and no deceleration, so I'm gonna try it on the way home today and see...
O.K. now we are getting somewhere... I tested what easyrider mentioned and sure enough i can make the noise stop completly at any time by applying just a little pressure on the clutch pedal, not enough to disengage the clutch just enough to take some load off of it, and the noise stops completely.
SO we will see what the regional rep says monday.
Sweeet! Beer always tasts better when it's free
Got a pm from easyrider (the one that pointed me to the tsb) he mentioned an easy test:
apply a slight amount of pressure to the clutch pedal while the noise is going on (just enough to take some load off the clutch), if the noise stops....... there you have it.
Now, I'm not too inclined to try this on full decel, but I can make mine do it at a no load state as well, just ballanced between no acceleration and no deceleration, so I'm gonna try it on the way home today and see...
O.K. now we are getting somewhere... I tested what easyrider mentioned and sure enough i can make the noise stop completly at any time by applying just a little pressure on the clutch pedal, not enough to disengage the clutch just enough to take some load off of it, and the noise stops completely.
SO we will see what the regional rep says monday.
Hopefully its just a minor adjustment in need for the EVO clutch.
For what its worth...I ran into another EVO owner today at a car show. We chatted for a good few hours about our rides. He also has the decel noise at 1100 miles.
Originally posted by drtalon
Well I'm going in for the 2nd time. Its grinding into 5th gear AGIAN! And the clunking from 1-2-3 is back. I thought the 1st time was a fluke. But WTF. I'm not a happy EVO owner.
Well I'm going in for the 2nd time. Its grinding into 5th gear AGIAN! And the clunking from 1-2-3 is back. I thought the 1st time was a fluke. But WTF. I'm not a happy EVO owner.
I have my meeting with the regional rep today. When I get home today I'm gonna start a new deceleration noise thread so look for updates to my case there..
Originally posted by drtalon
Well I'm going in for the 2nd time. Its grinding into 5th gear AGIAN! And the clunking from 1-2-3 is back. I thought the 1st time was a fluke. But WTF. I'm not a happy EVO owner.
Well I'm going in for the 2nd time. Its grinding into 5th gear AGIAN! And the clunking from 1-2-3 is back. I thought the 1st time was a fluke. But WTF. I'm not a happy EVO owner.
The ********* at the dealer had my car for 15 days waiting for the parts to come from
.They replaced everything associated with 5th gear.
But now no more noise. The trans is flawless, at least through the weekend.
Smoked a Boxter Saturday
I think I have found what ONE of the decel noises I am expierencing was...It does not cure the BRR BRR BRR/Gear whine/decel grind sound I am getting, but it did remove one of the vibrating/heat shield type noises that I was expierencing.
I was installing my new PWR radiator this weekend and had to remove the under garmet from the car, when I discovered this...
- Jack the front of the car up
- Remove the CENTER under garmet piece (remove the 989834 plastic clips)
- Look directly in the middle where the rear portion of the plastic under garmet connects to the frame. There is a piece of metal that is attached to the frame and its only held in by those plastic screws.
- If you shake this metal piece you can see that is will move around a good 1/2 inch or so, and its only purpose I believe is to connect the rear portion of the plastic facia to the frame.
I will take a picture of it if I can borrow the digi camera from my work. Anyone who has today off should try it =)
Again, it did not fix the Grinding Decel noise I still get, it only fixed a metal/heatshielf vibration sound that I was getting.
I was installing my new PWR radiator this weekend and had to remove the under garmet from the car, when I discovered this...
- Jack the front of the car up
- Remove the CENTER under garmet piece (remove the 989834 plastic clips)
- Look directly in the middle where the rear portion of the plastic under garmet connects to the frame. There is a piece of metal that is attached to the frame and its only held in by those plastic screws.
- If you shake this metal piece you can see that is will move around a good 1/2 inch or so, and its only purpose I believe is to connect the rear portion of the plastic facia to the frame.
I will take a picture of it if I can borrow the digi camera from my work. Anyone who has today off should try it =)
Again, it did not fix the Grinding Decel noise I still get, it only fixed a metal/heatshielf vibration sound that I was getting.
Well I had my meeting with the regional rep yesterday.
First off, he is nice reasonable guy and an automotive engineer. From our conversation, Mitsubishi engineers in Japan are very much aware of the decel noise and they are very sure that it's source is the transmission. They also are very firm in the opinion that there is nothing that can be done about the noise and that it is an enherant characteristic of the tranny.
I did show him the tsb from honda and he agreed to pass it along to engineering. I don't think that they have considered a clutch disk redesign up to this point.
We drove my car and another evo off the lot and though my noise did seem more prevalent than the other car, both made the same noise under the same conditions.
The bad news is the dealers have no recourse with this issue right now. Engineering says thats how it should be so there is nothing the dealers can do.
So until we can get a lot more folks to call there dealers, as well as
america, nothing is going to happen with this issue. They need a lot of folks to call in and complain about this before engineering will attempt to find a solution.
If anyone has tried a different clutch disk and found that it reduced the noise or eliminated it we may have somethign to take back to them as proof that the issue can be addressed.
First off, he is nice reasonable guy and an automotive engineer. From our conversation, Mitsubishi engineers in Japan are very much aware of the decel noise and they are very sure that it's source is the transmission. They also are very firm in the opinion that there is nothing that can be done about the noise and that it is an enherant characteristic of the tranny.
I did show him the tsb from honda and he agreed to pass it along to engineering. I don't think that they have considered a clutch disk redesign up to this point.
We drove my car and another evo off the lot and though my noise did seem more prevalent than the other car, both made the same noise under the same conditions.
The bad news is the dealers have no recourse with this issue right now. Engineering says thats how it should be so there is nothing the dealers can do.
So until we can get a lot more folks to call there dealers, as well as
america, nothing is going to happen with this issue. They need a lot of folks to call in and complain about this before engineering will attempt to find a solution.If anyone has tried a different clutch disk and found that it reduced the noise or eliminated it we may have somethign to take back to them as proof that the issue can be addressed.
The decel noise concern was brought up with Rhys Millen at this past weekend SoCal meet. Since he's spent hundreds of hours behind many EVO's his opinion was asked. He said it was normal and a characteristic trait of the EVO. When he first heard the noise years ago he was also like " what's that noise?" 
He says it's really loud in his rally car without the insulation.
When asked if the noise would lead to something breaking down, he said no. So take that for what it's worth....

He says it's really loud in his rally car without the insulation.
When asked if the noise would lead to something breaking down, he said no. So take that for what it's worth....
Once again it IS normal. Most heavy duty trannys I've had make more noise. I have the decel noise and from day one I thought nothing of it. To me it's not loud or even really noticable unless I really pay attention. I understand there are people with other tranny issues..but for those with some decel noise there is no need to worry. A first gear low speed whining is also normal.
Originally posted by n00dle
The decel noise concern was brought up with Rhys Millen at this past weekend SoCal meet. Since he's spent hundreds of hours behind many EVO's his opinion was asked. He said it was normal and a characteristic trait of the EVO. When he first heard the noise years ago he was also like " what's that noise?"
He says it's really loud in his rally car without the insulation.
When asked if the noise would lead to something breaking down, he said no. So take that for what it's worth....
The decel noise concern was brought up with Rhys Millen at this past weekend SoCal meet. Since he's spent hundreds of hours behind many EVO's his opinion was asked. He said it was normal and a characteristic trait of the EVO. When he first heard the noise years ago he was also like " what's that noise?"

He says it's really loud in his rally car without the insulation.
When asked if the noise would lead to something breaking down, he said no. So take that for what it's worth....
Again, my point here is even if something is "normal" that does not always mean it is "right".
The topic of clutch disk did come up with Rhys, but nothing to add in relation to the decel noise. From his impressions the noise was normal. Some of us wanted to know about the clutch he has available and if it was streetable. According to him the clutch they have is a sprung 6 puck disk that's comfortable to drive on the street.
Originally posted by n00dle
The topic of clutch disk did come up with Rhys, but nothing to add in relation to the decel noise. From his impressions the noise was normal. Some of us wanted to know about the clutch he has available and if it was streetable. According to him the clutch they have is a sprung 6 puck disk that's comfortable to drive on the street.
The topic of clutch disk did come up with Rhys, but nothing to add in relation to the decel noise. From his impressions the noise was normal. Some of us wanted to know about the clutch he has available and if it was streetable. According to him the clutch they have is a sprung 6 puck disk that's comfortable to drive on the street.
Originally posted by boostedwrx
I think I have found what ONE of the decel noises I am expierencing was...It does not cure the BRR BRR BRR/Gear whine/decel grind sound I am getting, but it did remove one of the vibrating/heat shield type noises that I was expierencing.
I was installing my new PWR radiator this weekend and had to remove the under garmet from the car, when I discovered this...
- Jack the front of the car up
- Remove the CENTER under garmet piece (remove the 989834 plastic clips)
- Look directly in the middle where the rear portion of the plastic under garmet connects to the frame. There is a piece of metal that is attached to the frame and its only held in by those plastic screws.
- If you shake this metal piece you can see that is will move around a good 1/2 inch or so, and its only purpose I believe is to connect the rear portion of the plastic facia to the frame.
I will take a picture of it if I can borrow the digi camera from my work. Anyone who has today off should try it =)
Again, it did not fix the Grinding Decel noise I still get, it only fixed a metal/heatshielf vibration sound that I was getting.
I think I have found what ONE of the decel noises I am expierencing was...It does not cure the BRR BRR BRR/Gear whine/decel grind sound I am getting, but it did remove one of the vibrating/heat shield type noises that I was expierencing.
I was installing my new PWR radiator this weekend and had to remove the under garmet from the car, when I discovered this...
- Jack the front of the car up
- Remove the CENTER under garmet piece (remove the 989834 plastic clips)
- Look directly in the middle where the rear portion of the plastic under garmet connects to the frame. There is a piece of metal that is attached to the frame and its only held in by those plastic screws.
- If you shake this metal piece you can see that is will move around a good 1/2 inch or so, and its only purpose I believe is to connect the rear portion of the plastic facia to the frame.
I will take a picture of it if I can borrow the digi camera from my work. Anyone who has today off should try it =)
Again, it did not fix the Grinding Decel noise I still get, it only fixed a metal/heatshielf vibration sound that I was getting.
You should see how many other people might have the same noise and if you could it'd be nice to take pics and put it up in the HOW TO section.. not that it is perhaps hard (not from what you've said) however.. it would be great as a FUTURE reference (don't you think?) for those who might come across with a similar problem in the future and be asking around about it.
Originally posted by mad_VIII
I called them last night to ask about the disk, Blair mentioned that it might be a little too grabby for a daily driver (thats not modded to hell and back). He also mentioned that they could get a different version that has a full face instead fo the six puck design. He said the full face design would be a little tammer than the six puck..... for what its worth.
I called them last night to ask about the disk, Blair mentioned that it might be a little too grabby for a daily driver (thats not modded to hell and back). He also mentioned that they could get a different version that has a full face instead fo the six puck design. He said the full face design would be a little tammer than the six puck..... for what its worth.
Jay
so what's the real deal with the tranny...I have some whining and clunking when shifting as well...is it just the differentials locking in or is it a factory defect..I noticed the clutch or bearings making a slight noise, i haven't had a 6 puck clutch before do they make more noise than a normal one??


