Finally, 20G-9 dyno #'s!
Call me an idiot, (well this is evom, you can't 
) but can you state the objective of that post. Is the main objective to prove that the MD reads "low"? I think that is the consensus of 90% of people. I would agree, no doubt about it.
Just trying to figure out the reference to "stock Evo8 turbo". His I assume is "ported" as described on his site.
The subject of the thread is the 20g-9. Does Curt plan on trying this unit out?
Thanks.
) but can you state the objective of that post. Is the main objective to prove that the MD reads "low"? I think that is the consensus of 90% of people. I would agree, no doubt about it. Just trying to figure out the reference to "stock Evo8 turbo". His I assume is "ported" as described on his site.
The subject of the thread is the 20g-9. Does Curt plan on trying this unit out?
Thanks.
Sorry, for going off topic. I agree with DB completely. If you aren't doing AT LEAST basic weight removal before racing, you are silly. Remember weight savings not only makes you faster but also puts less stress on drivetrain during your launch and 1-2 shift.
Here is a refresher of what can be quickly taken out (at the track):
1. Spare tire and jack
2. floor mats, trunk flooring, and trunk soundproofing
3. Passenger seat, rear seat top and bottom
3. Empty all front and rear windshield washer fluid and most of your intercooler spray reservoir (if you have an 03 or 04).
4. Be low on gas, but not empty
5. Glove box
Here is a refresher of what can be quickly taken out (at the track):
1. Spare tire and jack
2. floor mats, trunk flooring, and trunk soundproofing
3. Passenger seat, rear seat top and bottom
3. Empty all front and rear windshield washer fluid and most of your intercooler spray reservoir (if you have an 03 or 04).
4. Be low on gas, but not empty
5. Glove box
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I just dyno'd the most highly built EVO with a stock turbo on it that I have ever dyno'd. Curt Brown was here last week. As all of you know he ran 10.9 at 123 mph on the stock turbo. His car made 372 whp and 333 ft lbs of torque. That was on C16 with every mod there is under the sun on the car. Stock EVO8 turbo and me tuning the EMS. There you have it and all the doubters can finally stop doubting. Thank you have a nice day.
As for the full weight cars. The front bumper support weighs 14 pounds. Racing with a spare tire and tools in your trunk makes you a ______________. I am not allowed to say what it makes you on EVOm. I can on my website though
Taking out the spare tire/tool kit saves 40 pounds. Racing with it in your trunk is not very smart.
Loosing additional weight on your EVO by spending your money on well engineered parts makes you a very intelligent person and can save you quite a bit of weight.
I have an idea. Let's all make a standard that an EVO has to weigh and what side mirrors you have to run so there isn't any aerodynamic difference either. Then to make sure it is really fair if your EVO dyno's more than anyone else's we should have to add a trailer hitch to the car and pull a trailer down the track with 15 extra pounds per horsepower you make. Then we can even up the playing field.
When it's all done we should all have EVO's that make 350 whp, but only on my dyno and run 13.0 at 104 mph. WAIT!! Just leave the car stock and you can do that.
For good information visit: www.buschurracing.com
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
As for the full weight cars. The front bumper support weighs 14 pounds. Racing with a spare tire and tools in your trunk makes you a ______________. I am not allowed to say what it makes you on EVOm. I can on my website though
Taking out the spare tire/tool kit saves 40 pounds. Racing with it in your trunk is not very smart.Loosing additional weight on your EVO by spending your money on well engineered parts makes you a very intelligent person and can save you quite a bit of weight.
I have an idea. Let's all make a standard that an EVO has to weigh and what side mirrors you have to run so there isn't any aerodynamic difference either. Then to make sure it is really fair if your EVO dyno's more than anyone else's we should have to add a trailer hitch to the car and pull a trailer down the track with 15 extra pounds per horsepower you make. Then we can even up the playing field.
When it's all done we should all have EVO's that make 350 whp, but only on my dyno and run 13.0 at 104 mph. WAIT!! Just leave the car stock and you can do that.
For good information visit: www.buschurracing.com
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Evolving Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 289
Likes: 0
From: us
I went to the drag strip for the first time with my stage 3+, 20g-9,meth, ~28psi, stock block etc. First run ever 13.1 @109 missed 3rd. Second run was 12.1 @112. The track closed after an accident, I did feel I could clean off another .5 with another couple runs.
I mostly autocross, and was keeping pretty close with the c6 z06, I still had my all season tires, only got a few runs beacuse my cv joint broke, and my cv boot was missing. I went home, but was within ~1sec on 30sec course, and still had about 15 mins of lap time left to catch up to their time.
I mostly autocross, and was keeping pretty close with the c6 z06, I still had my all season tires, only got a few runs beacuse my cv joint broke, and my cv boot was missing. I went home, but was within ~1sec on 30sec course, and still had about 15 mins of lap time left to catch up to their time.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I just dyno'd the most highly built EVO with a stock turbo on it that I have ever dyno'd. Curt Brown was here last week. As all of you know he ran 10.9 at 123 mph on the stock turbo. His car made 372 whp and 333 ft lbs of torque. That was on C16 with every mod there is under the sun on the car. Stock EVO8 turbo and me tuning the EMS. There you have it and all the doubters can finally stop doubting. Thank you have a nice day.
As for the full weight cars. The front bumper support weighs 14 pounds. Racing with a spare tire and tools in your trunk makes you a ______________. I am not allowed to say what it makes you on EVOm. I can on my website though Taking out the spare tire/tool kit saves 40 pounds. Racing with it in your trunk is not very smart.
Loosing additional weight on your EVO by spending your money on well engineered parts makes you a very intelligent person and can save you quite a bit of weight.
I have an idea. Let's all make a standard that an EVO has to weigh and what side mirrors you have to run so there isn't any aerodynamic difference either. Then to make sure it is really fair if your EVO dyno's more than anyone else's we should have to add a trailer hitch to the car and pull a trailer down the track with 15 extra pounds per horsepower you make. Then we can even up the playing field.
When it's all done we should all have EVO's that make 350 whp, but only on my dyno and run 13.0 at 104 mph. WAIT!! Just leave the car stock and you can do that.
For good information visit: www.buschurracing.com
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
As for the full weight cars. The front bumper support weighs 14 pounds. Racing with a spare tire and tools in your trunk makes you a ______________. I am not allowed to say what it makes you on EVOm. I can on my website though
Taking out the spare tire/tool kit saves 40 pounds. Racing with it in your trunk is not very smart.Loosing additional weight on your EVO by spending your money on well engineered parts makes you a very intelligent person and can save you quite a bit of weight.
I have an idea. Let's all make a standard that an EVO has to weigh and what side mirrors you have to run so there isn't any aerodynamic difference either. Then to make sure it is really fair if your EVO dyno's more than anyone else's we should have to add a trailer hitch to the car and pull a trailer down the track with 15 extra pounds per horsepower you make. Then we can even up the playing field.
When it's all done we should all have EVO's that make 350 whp, but only on my dyno and run 13.0 at 104 mph. WAIT!! Just leave the car stock and you can do that.
For good information visit: www.buschurracing.com
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
The point behind my post and what Curt's car made and how fast he went was quite simple. He has the fastest/quickest stock turbo'd EVO EVER. His car on our dyno made 370 whp and 330 ft lbs of torque. I'd have to assume the car is atleast somewhat close to where it was when he ran 10.9 at 123 mph. This means that the stock turbo (yes ported and such but a real stock turbo, not a white rabbit, or 5/6 blade 20G) makes 370 whp and runs 10.9 with that power level.
The reason for explaining this was we have had plenty 20G's make that and more power with MUCH less work done to the car. This shows that the 20g is capable of and currently making more power than the stock turbos.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
The reason for explaining this was we have had plenty 20G's make that and more power with MUCH less work done to the car. This shows that the 20g is capable of and currently making more power than the stock turbos.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
There's no doubt that the 20G can make power but it always seems to be on race gas and with more boost.
For the folks that run 22PSI daily on the stock turbo ..... how much of a gain would they see running 22PSI on the 20G?
On pump gas the 20G just doesn't provide big gains over the stock turbo and when I say stock turbo I mean the EVO8 turbo. It would be interesting to see how the 20G on an EVO8 compares to a stock EVO9 turbo on an EVO8 vehicle.
For the folks that run 22PSI daily on the stock turbo ..... how much of a gain would they see running 22PSI on the 20G?
On pump gas the 20G just doesn't provide big gains over the stock turbo and when I say stock turbo I mean the EVO8 turbo. It would be interesting to see how the 20G on an EVO8 compares to a stock EVO9 turbo on an EVO8 vehicle.
If making power is your concern, race fuel or methanol injection is the rule. There is only so much you're going to get out of pump fuel with any similarly sized turbo, period. Sure, you can get more power out of pump fuel by going to a larger, more efficient turbo (e.g. GT-30R), but you'll do no better than someone with a smaller turbo and more capable fuel. At this point in time, your limitation isn't the stock turbo, but your choice of fuel.
Whatever the ultimate power potential differences between two turbos, you'll see that difference amplified by a sizable factor when either race fuel or methanol injection are introduced into the picture. I see a methanol injection kit in your future . . .
Whatever the ultimate power potential differences between two turbos, you'll see that difference amplified by a sizable factor when either race fuel or methanol injection are introduced into the picture. I see a methanol injection kit in your future . . .
Not true about the turbo only making more power on race gas. It just makes a LOT more power on race gas than a stock turbo. On pump gas we are seeing consistant gains over the stock turbos. It is RARE to have an EVO break the 300 whp mark here on pump gas. We have now seen 3-4 EVO's break 320 whp on pump with the 20g.
There are limits to what you are going to make on pump gas, I don't care what turbo you have. Take Jarrod's car for example. This is a full Stage 4 car, 272 cams and a GT3065 turbo kit. The car on pump gas at 23 psi made 345 whp. After driving my car Jarrod said he is ready to trade the GT3065 back in on a 20G.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
There are limits to what you are going to make on pump gas, I don't care what turbo you have. Take Jarrod's car for example. This is a full Stage 4 car, 272 cams and a GT3065 turbo kit. The car on pump gas at 23 psi made 345 whp. After driving my car Jarrod said he is ready to trade the GT3065 back in on a 20G.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
My point is . . .
If you're going to invest in the cost of the turbo + installation + tuning, you're looking at a bill of $1500 or more. IMO, spending that kind of money on a new turbo and limiting yourself to pump fuel is like ordering your new girlfriend to wear a chastity belt.
If you're going to invest in the cost of the turbo + installation + tuning, you're looking at a bill of $1500 or more. IMO, spending that kind of money on a new turbo and limiting yourself to pump fuel is like ordering your new girlfriend to wear a chastity belt.
Ted, I only partially agree with what you are saying. You could also spend a minumum of $3,000 for a good quality GT turbo kit and then make maybe 50 whp more on pump gas than the 20G does but with a HUGE loss of low end power.
For me there are two turbos for great pump gas powerband. Stock and the 20G.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
For me there are two turbos for great pump gas powerband. Stock and the 20G.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Ted, I only partially agree with what you are saying. You could also spend a minumum of $3,000 for a good quality GT turbo kit and then make maybe 50 whp more on pump gas than the 20G does but with a HUGE loss of low end power.
Also worthy of note, I might suggest coming up with a different name for your turbo than '20G' while it is still relatively new.
Originally Posted by Ted B
. . .
Also worthy of note, I might suggest coming up with a different name for your turbo than '20G' while it is still relatively new.
Also worthy of note, I might suggest coming up with a different name for your turbo than '20G' while it is still relatively new.
Or how about the BR 2016. Or the BR 16GPlus.
Oh, or David could have a contest to rename the turbo and the winner gets a free one! I like the sound of that !
EVOlutionary