Blew engine today under extremely normal circumstances. not happy.EDITED
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A bit off topic, but I feel I must respond...
Yet there is still the possiblilty that he might have made a mistake... even on his own car. The OP responded, saying his first thought was that he made a mistake, and doublechecked the oil level, drain plug, and filter.
I guess I have been blessed with having a vast majority of my co-workers (at two different dealerships) taking great care in the service of customer vehicles.
Funny... I started off my career as said "oil change monkey", and I never resented working on the S2000's that came into our Honda dealership... if anything I was more cautious working on a $32k sports car, as I knew the customers would be paying close attention to the quality of service. FWIW, all of the other oil change techs I worked with feel the same way.
Again, maybe the dealerships I have worked for are freaks, but I don't think you should be making blanket statements like those as if they apply everywhere.
Originally Posted by 13-0
I understand your line of thinking but I feel it is wrong. Your chances of that kinda messup by a Car guy working on his own car
that gives a thousand more ****s than most mechanics at most dealerships
- especially ones regulated to oil change monkey on new expensive fun cars that he cant afford to drive. Ive been around these guys and the level of satisfaction is nil. Resentment is high especially when they have to settle on driving the trade ins at their own workplace.
Again, maybe the dealerships I have worked for are freaks, but I don't think you should be making blanket statements like those as if they apply everywhere.
I'm not sure if this adds anything to the thread or not, but the car was only run with maybe 5 runs
to 7000 RPM since the 12:1 was introduced, assuming it was by the flash (which I am NOT posing blame on)..
The last run being about 750 miles before the first signs of motor problems were encountered. I really do
not believe the flash had anything to do with the issue. How many lean conditions resulted in immediate
damage? probably 99% of them. How many were long term? maybe 1%? My bet is still on loss of oil pressure
to the bearing due to the shavings in the block, or a bad bearing itself.
to 7000 RPM since the 12:1 was introduced, assuming it was by the flash (which I am NOT posing blame on)..
The last run being about 750 miles before the first signs of motor problems were encountered. I really do
not believe the flash had anything to do with the issue. How many lean conditions resulted in immediate
damage? probably 99% of them. How many were long term? maybe 1%? My bet is still on loss of oil pressure
to the bearing due to the shavings in the block, or a bad bearing itself.
Originally Posted by wingless
So you take a car that is tuned to the ragged edge from the factory, remove it's abilty to regulate boost for weather/atmospheric conditions and then push timing and fuel even closer to the margin via sketchy "road tuning" data. OK. so it doesn't blow up right away but slowly destructs over 10k, thus absolving the "tunner" and owner of any wrong doing. Nice job people, 
will pick ip the tab.
will pick ip the tab.I dont think Al would appreciate his "road tuning" referred to as "sketchy" either.
Originally Posted by silverEVO8
However, from my personal first hand experience, I will say that many engine modifications will definitely cause all sorts of problems and issues. If you have a several mods, it's hard to say which one caused which problem, and often the customer ends up screwed and has to pony up all the $$$ for repairs. IMHO, any mods done by anybody can result in things as small as an idle issue to catastrophic engine failures... CAVEAT EMPTOR
That's a story for another thread tho...
Originally Posted by Hotshot940
No doubt, I'm not saying that things can't and won't go wrong. I'm not saying that modding is 100% fool proof, or safe. Because it's neither. Modding a car is a huge responsibility of the owner and a huge commitment. I don't deny that at all. I would know, I've blown my **** up before That's a story for another thread tho...
That's a story for another thread tho...Rod bearing failure is the # 1 cause of evo engine failure
Even stock ones
High rpm use is the most stressful thing on rod bolts - it places them under great load at TDC when the piston and rod mass must be suddenly stopped and turn the opposite direction
The incidence rate of failure appears to be very low indeed given the total numbers of evos and the numbers of failures posted here
Changing the rod bolts may lower that rate of failure ????? Of will bad installs fail even more ?
Food for thought
Dude what the F man. anyone that defends any mitsu dealership about warranty work should be shot, literally.
It is bull doodoo that you pay 30+K on a car and don't get the service that you deserve, I don't care what mods you have.
It is advertised as a "race car" as the saleman that went with me on a ride along said that exact phrase.
man it's pointless to even go on, I'm so pissed. I hate mitsubishi service.
It is bull doodoo that you pay 30+K on a car and don't get the service that you deserve, I don't care what mods you have.
It is advertised as a "race car" as the saleman that went with me on a ride along said that exact phrase.
man it's pointless to even go on, I'm so pissed. I hate mitsubishi service.
Originally Posted by NapervilleEVO
according to the intial posts
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...5&page=1&pp=15
they were warrantied by Mitsu. but you are from Ohio so you should know better. my fault if i was not up to date or misread what the dealer posted.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...5&page=1&pp=15
they were warrantied by Mitsu. but you are from Ohio so you should know better. my fault if i was not up to date or misread what the dealer posted.
I actually have family at Medina Mitsu, Eric Sonni(co-owner) and Tom Medved.
But yeah they are not going to warrenty those parts. If something should go wrong due to those parts it's Buschurs resposibility.
Originally Posted by Hotshot940
Tuned to the ragged edge? WTF? Evos are filthy *** pig rich from the factory, there is HUGE margine of safety running that stock motor like it comes from the factory.
I dont think Al would appreciate his "road tuning" referred to as "sketchy" either.
I dont think Al would appreciate his "road tuning" referred to as "sketchy" either.
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Originally Posted by BBYBruno
I actually have family at Medina Mitsu, Eric Sonni(co-owner) and Tom Medved.
But yeah they are not going to warrenty those parts. If something should go wrong due to those parts it's Buschurs resposibility.
But yeah they are not going to warrenty those parts. If something should go wrong due to those parts it's Buschurs resposibility.
well, if Al was there and he saw that the AFR was 12 near 7k RPM, he should have never have let it leave the shop. Also, how much boost was it tuned for and what were you running at the time, or did you never touch the MBC.
Let us know when you get the head pulled.
Let us know when you get the head pulled.