I'm not an expert on EVO's but usually rod will go Out the engine by overreving the engine, oil starvation, engine maintenace or deffect. The first thing that shows damage from leaning condition its the piston ring lands or simply the pistons. If they dont reflect any lean condition damage the the tunning can't totally be called the culprit of the engine failure. Looking at this picture The rod suffered from lubrication and overheating those blue marks don't show up in detonation fracture. It will be nice to see the condition of the remaining rods to see if they have signs of overheating or the remaining pistons for lean condition.

 

I removed the last six pages of BS. I did try to keep some of the on topic comments intact, but probably missed a few and I apologize. The thread will remain open and any off topic comments will be removed going forward. Off topic includes vendor bashing, vendor's arguing with each other, vendor gamesmanship, vendor groupies mindlessly defending their flag and just plain dumb statements.

Unless ask specifically by the thread originator, vendor's would be best served to stay out of this thread. Thanks.

Speedlimit...

 

thank you speedlimit!....now get those pics up stew!

 

His damage is too destructive to be from a tune... It looks like if some one placed a bomb in there.

 

that pic of the con rod clearly shows a spun bearing. the bearing moved from its original position and the rotations of the engine caused the friction (heat) by overcoming the force of the spun bearing. That heat damage is what we are looking at. No amount of oil could cool that. It is further evidenced by the large amount of shavings in the engine.

The crack in the rod is caused by the localized heat damage weakening the rod creating a higher stress point than the surrounding material. You can see this by the fact that the crack is at the weak point in the rod...right at the bend. Anyone who is a structural engineer will agree with me.

Untill we see the piston...all we know for sure is that the engine did suffer catastrofic rod failure due to a spun bearing.

My .02

 

Thanks Speedlimit

Bingo. My thoughts exactly. UNFORTUNALTEY, I AM SCREWED.

MITSUBISHI says they are DENYING warranty claims on my drivetrain because their REPRESENTITIVES SIT ON EVOM and SEARCH POSTS.

They had a copy of this thread at the dealer this morning. The service manager was very nice, and is trying to give me suggestions about ways to get it fixed but says MITSU is holding him back from doing the repairs.

For those that read the whole thread, you'll know I'm not trying to pull a fast one over , but was SIMPLY hoping for a FAIR REVIEW OF THE MOTOR. If it is shown to be a lean condition in cyl #1, so be it, I'll gladly eat the repairs. If I crack the block open and find no signs of detonation in any cylinder and the cause looks to be faulty rod bearings from the factory, I will not be a happy camper. One would think a $32,000 car with 15,000 miles would warrant a fair review when the motor blasts rods out of the side of the block with only $1300 worth of bolt on modifications.

My next step is to check with insurance and see if I have coverage. Otherwise I have options to get either a lawyer or the DMV involved, but unfortunately the lengthy time of that process is almost not worth the hastle. Especially since infact, the car is modified. Optimally, insurance will help, and I will be able to do the repairs in my garage with an in depth tear down and review on the motor. Hopefully I will figure out the exact plan of action today.

Thanks for a fair review Mitsubishi, expect an in-depth warning thread about your REPS up here on EvoM shortly

 

How would your reps know your forum name at the dealership? Furthermore how would they know you location/car/etc..... I spun 2 bearings in my LS1 SS Camaro due to an oil pump failure, my car had mods out the wazoo on it and the motor was replaced under warranty because the oil pump cracked a fin a seized up. They have to prove it was your mods that cause the bearing to fail, they cant simply say youy did this mod so that happened, they have to prove what happened was a direct result of your mods, kinda like court, innocent until proven guilty.

If the bearing spun due to weak factory parts given your level of mods your motor should be covered, it wouldbe on thing if you had cams, bigger turbo etc, but yuour simply running a mildly modded evo, it doesnt add up to me, it seems like a variable is missing.

 

its sort of funny to hear of Mitsubishi reps collecting info off of an enthusiast site for these reasons. its one thing to have dealerships that are vendors and such here, but its odd how reps use a site (that shows we love the car and want to find more out about it) to in the end show that mitsubishi could give a dam about this car and their reputation. as soon as you drive off the lot and they have your money, mitsu's customer satisfaction only goes down for most stealerships.


But stew thanks for the informative posts and hopefully somewhere you have some sort of coverage.

 

i was thinking the exact same thing. how the hell did they know it was u and know to look for it?

 

If Mitsu is reading maybe I should post my resume....hahaha.

This is why any tales involving my car stopped when I traded my OZ Lancer for my Evo. Its a shame to see Mitsu only uses these boards to deny warranty claims when they could be using this site and its many enthusiastic members to help promote its products. (SRT forums has a number of SRT engineers who interact with members and give updated product info and hints at future projects)

I wish you luck with your engine. I find it ammusing that Mitsu will hide behind expensive warranty claims as the reason for being so stingey on warranty issues, but I wonder if they have taken into account the millions they will lose when previous owners will stop buying their cars because they are tired of the crap.

 

That is absolutly ridiculous!!

I would have denied it...if i ever need warranty work, and they try to do something like that to me im playing stupid...What do you mean? i never heard of that site? Fraud my a** stick it to the man cause if you dont they stick it to you, they wont give you warranty for being honest so remove your mods and go to another dealership...beat them at there own game...They cant denie you warranty because they found a post on a forum that sooo happens to be a situation like yours?? How can they 100% prove it? Unless you confessed after they told you? which is a stoopid move...

Every other car manufacturer in the world allows bolt-on parts because in reality they wont hurt anything...Mitsu usa continues digging there own grave it seems to me? im sure nissian warranty's slightly modified 350Z's?

Lesson Learned...When something happens to your car, go straight to mitsu after your mods are unbolted, then get it fixed under warranty (while playing dumb)....then after that you can post and brag about how you grabbed mitsu by the ***** and made em pay then they can read it and call you and you can say what do you mean?? and hang up on them....People will cry and moan that you got warranty work and they cant but thats because they wanted to be honest with a corporation that obviously doesnt care about owners that enjoy the cars they make : ) ... Honesty only gets you so far in this world and thats truly sad and very disapointing but whats that saying? its a dog eat dog world?, anyway cue the music

 

I'll chime in to subscribe. Speedlimit, thanks for clearing up the garbage before I got to it.. lol

There seems to be a point of legal fact that Mitsu still has to prove without the shadow of a doubt that the modifications are what caused the failure. There's probably 100 ways around this with fine print, but it still has to be done.

Everyone is just throwing speculation. I wouldn't be surprised if they deny the warranty simply because he had some minor "power" mods, even though the factory parts could have been completely faulty in the first place.

I think if that IS the case (faulty parts) that Mitsu SHOULD cover the factory parts under warranty, because it would have happened regardless and is only a question of "when" it would happen.



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It's really sad on both parts, us (the enthusiasts) and the dealer (the man). we're each trying to take advantage of the other.

Mitsu wants to sell cars, and genuinely wants to cover problems that are their fault because it keeps customers happy.

On the other hand, We buy their cars, but drive them hard and modify them beyond design, and expect Mitsu to still cover problems, because we're customers, and we're always right, right?..... right.....?

Mitsu says that technically, the problem ISN'T their fault, so they aren't really responsible. That's business. So, we swap parts back to OEM and claim "oh, I dunno what happened" And attempt to trick them. It sucks that we HAVE to do that if the problem is completely unrelated to the modifications because the dealers often blame an irrelevant modification and will find whatever justification required to deny the warranty. Often times they don't do it to be A-holes, they do it because they have to to survive. Of course the dealer gets reimbursed from the manufacturer for warranty work, but the manufacturer has the final say and (very likely) says deny any warranty that isn't 100% genuine because often times, it's (thanks to people like us) true.

If the manufacturers were willing to pay for any repairs to their cars, modified or not in any manner, the dealers would happily do the work because they're still getting paid. However, they're pressured not to do so. It's not a Mitsubishi problem, its a business ethics and consumer honesty problem that tends to snowball out of control with everyone pointing fingers.

Anyways, threads like this **** me off because it's typically a lose-lose situation. Mitsu ends up with another bad mark against them and people lose faith, but they have to stand by their legalities to avoid being taken advantage of. The consumers who DO have a genuine warranty problem are left out in the cold because their car was modded, and denied warranty because of the fine print. It sucks for Mitsu in the long run, and it sucks for the consumers just as well.

I have to agree with the "pay to play" moral standing. I am willing to do whatever work is necessary to my car, except deep engine or transmission work. However, if something fails due to a genuine manufacturer problem, I would only HOPE that my dealer is cool enough to give me a fair evaluation on the actual cause of the faulure. And THAT is what Stew deserves, a fair evaluation, not a pissing contest, me vs you, black and white, cold shouldered "NO!" because his car was modified.
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Anyways, I really hope this gets resolved honestly.

 

Amen brother, Amen.

 

uh, wrong. Go to a subaru dealer with a boost controller on your WRX and you're warrenty gets yanked too by most dealerships. you can't expect to increase the performance by 20% and expect the car to have the same longevity as a stock car.

 

Now we know why they Have the "Best Backed Cars in the World" Because they weasel out of every warranty claim if you change your damn spark plug cover.