This coming from the "Vishnu tri-state installer" is not even a little surprising. I'll let my customers and my products talk for themselves; as of today, the guys that run the fastest DSMs in the country are using them on their WRXs. They are involved with the development of the UTEC for the EVO.

The chip torque unit (xced) is nice, and I have nothing bad to say about it, but you might want to try to develop your very own EMS system before you decide to call mine primitive.

 

Shiv,

I'm not a big fan on catbacks. Do you have any maps just with just the xede tunned for 93/94 leaving the car stock? How much power?

Anyways, i fell that catbacks are mainly for marketing purpose at this level of mods.

What about a kit with, intake, downpipe, hi-flow cat, and xede? I feel it'll be more benificial.

 

The cat-back upgrade alone yeilded a 10 wheel hp gain over stock with torque gains at all engine speeds. Neither an open intake, free flow cat (or even a test pipe) showed such across-the-board gains. This is why it is a part of the kit. We don't make it a habit of integrating components with marketining purposes in mind.

shiv

 

Shiv, sorry this is offtopic, but I so rarely see you on NASIOC these days I figured there's more chance for a reply from you here..

Do you anticipate similar upgrades will be available through you guys for the STI that will also pass Californian carb emission laws? I hear the STI passed those with flying colors due to the 2.5L.

I'm really only interested in upgrades that will keep my car legal, and if the stage0 kit for the Evo is still within the emission laws then it does make the Evo much more enticing in my eyes..

 

Shiv - when do you expect Evo Stage kits to be ready? (I don't think this has been asked yet)

 

P2x-- Keeping the STI carb legal is going to be a challenge but it's certainly possible. But it's a bit too early now to make any guesses as to what the upgrade path will be. Only time will tell....

trigeek37-- The Stage Zero kit is available right now, but only for those who come to our shop for installation and dyno tuning/verification. We'd like to get a larger sample pool before sending out pre-mapped XEDEs via mailorder.

Cheers,
Shiv

 

Can you post pic of your exhaust????

 

How much weight save and pricing for the kits

 

This is somewhat funny. to be objective...this Eric guy is Shiv's official installer in the tristate area. what do you think his intentions are ?

there will always be supporters for a particular tuner/vendor who would post nonstop and rave about the greatest of tuner/vendor X

unfortunately, this official installer doesn't have much knowledge with the WRX, and whatever he'll know with the EVO is gathered thru the forums, and trickled from shiv. Just search under WRBLUEWAGON from months past and look at all the silly questions he asked. Do you want to trust your car with a newbie? Oh yes, you'll also see how he'll jump at any opportunity to rave about a vishnu product, even though he haven't or might have just a limited experience with it.



Nmyeti has a point, good products speaks for themselves. turboxs UTEC is a in house product...maybe it's primitive compare to the Australian proven product shiv's been rebadging and calling his own.

Shiv's tuning speaks for itself, but his products is sometimes overrated by his "overzealous" supporters.

just my 2 cents, learn from the wrx forums and take your time picking your mods. I think the EVO community has a lot more knowledge and choices compare to WRX at inception.

 

I have never visited, talked to, or bought anything from Shiv or Vishnu. That being said, of all the tuners on these boards, he has demonstrated the most competence, attention to detail, and responsiveness to our (oftentimes annoying) questions. These are the reasons he gets support and props from people-- don't presume people on these boards are no-brain Vishnu yes-men.

Also, regarding Shiv's "rebadging" of another product-- that is like saying someone's ingenious code or software is just a "rebadged Dell product" just because his/her workstation happened to be a Dell computer. It's the tuning/software that matters, not the sourcing of the hardware. And in terms of putting in the man/dyno/coding hours, Shiv has left the rest behind.

Think before you flame...

Heff

 

I never bashed him for his tuning...my reference to rebadging wasn't directed only to ecu products. I never said which product is better. As for reference to being overrated..it's a number of reasons but I left it out for people to decide on their own.

Nor was the bulk of what I against shiv. Since you've never deal or bought anything from him..then guess what you are making an opinion based solely on what your read here, as you have forementioned. What is this Think before you flame base on?? I never said everyone are lemmings on forums, but if a lot of people rave about something....people will buy it. It's simple marketing, chances are it will work. Now say a personal friend or a business associate go on board and help with the PR.....some people may not get it, some don't care, I'm just offering that objective view.
that's hardly flaming.

 

Shiv- Like gtr I am not a big fan of cat-backs either but, the performance increases are hard to ignore. Did you realize the stated increases with just the cat-back alone?

You mention testing with a free flow cat and test pipe but, no mention of downpipe testing. I have seen much written about the restrictive stock downpipe. I am curious why you have not chosen to replace it with a 2.5" or 3" mandrel bent piece. You can still retain the stock catalytic converter (which is reported to flow quite well) with the 2.5" down pipe in order to meet CARB requirement. Some tuners recommend this as the best bang for the buck mod available for a stock EVO. Do you plan to do any testing here? Seems as though it would be a logical piece to include in your Stage Zero.

Lastly, how much has your cat-back increased noise levels at normal cruising speeds. WOT is not an issue but, I would prefer not to increase the noise level in the cabin over current levels when cruising. (3k-3.5k rpms)

Thanks,
jfh

 

Shiv,

I just realize our evo's redling is 7900 rpms. Perhaps you should cut dyno runs off at around 7400rpms to maximize out top end power? I don't even know if over 7000 is healthy for the car?

 

Shiv, do you have any intentions of doing 92 octane maps? I know it's not that widespread, but it's what I've got to live with in Seattle. I am also interested in how your catback sounds. Does it remain farely low-key unlike the civics with the coffe cans on back? Any info on the weight of the catback? Thanks.

 

Well if experience is anything to go by Shiv never seems to put out a product before it's time. His WRX downpipe took forever to come out because he spent a ton of time on R&D while other companies were just cranking out pipes left and right. That should tell you guys something about his devotion to quality. BTW: I've never met Shiv or bought any of his products, it's just an observation.