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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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You guys gotta understand that flashing a OEM ECU isn't exactly easy to do when your talking about that high a Hp level. You have more room to adjust perameters on an aftermarket ECU/standalone compared to a OEM ECU. Its kinda like comparing sand paper, sure coarse grit will make your mark, but to shine you need something a little more refined.

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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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Tell me Aux what you can adjust on a EMS that you can't via a stock ecu that allows you to make more power.

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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
Tell me Aux what you can adjust on a EMS that you can't via a stock ecu that allows you to make more power.

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you have to recale the load points when you get into high boost. You loose allot of granularity at higher psi.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
Tell me Aux what you can adjust on a EMS that you can't via a stock ecu that allows you to make more power.

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The only drawback of the stock ECU is you have to eliminate the MAF once your at airflow levels that cause the MAF to misread. ~ MalibuJack


I am not saying you can't get good horse power out of it but some people that want to retune and learn usually use standalone. Now that i think about it .....i don't think it was Al that had the issue with it, i think it was someone else....i retract the name.
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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i think most of the people interested in the 50-trim kits are looking for a turbo they can run on pump at 20-22 psi and get around 400-450whp. and maybe some racegas at the track, but i think the 50-trim maxes out at around 28-30 anyway. but if your running a 50-trim on pump, i don't think running a flash with the ECU would hurt you much.
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 08:14 AM
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Not even going to get into this again. It's in every single thread that gets started about a turbo. Yes, absolutely you can use the stock ECU to use with your turbo kits, regardless of how big the turbo is. Whether or not you make killer power with it is between you and your tuner, that's my best answer.

My suggestion is if you are planning on upgrading the turbo you should upgrade the fuel management first. My opinion but I am not expert reflasher of the stock ECU.
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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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I would love to see 120MPH traps on 93 Octane on a flash, that's what I want from a Turbo kit, that and a devent power band. I have seen this kinda power with a GT35R and 93 octane, he trapped at 122MPH. That's all I really want.
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by High_PSI
I would love to see 120MPH traps on 93 Octane on a flash, that's what I want from a Turbo kit, that and a devent power band. I have seen this kinda power with a GT35R and 93 octane, he trapped at 122MPH. That's all I really want.

There's a dude on Evoowned trapping 122mph on a GT35R on pump I believe.

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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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O.K. Let's just put an end to this thread.

The ET 50 trim did not make very good power as I said. The story doesn't end there but with all the BS I have been attempting to tolerate on here lately I got sick of posting.

Here is the rest of the story, well most of it.

I put another turbo on the car after the ET 50 trim. This was another turbo of the same basic design, the only thing that had to be changed was the turbo itself.

The power went up around 20 whp. Regardless, called Shaun and told him I still was not happy with the car and didn't feel right about charging him for anything we had done so far.

That night I had an idea. I wanted to swap camshafts and see if it made a good difference.

Well my hunch was correct and the car gained 57 whp with the cam change. Don't bother asking what was in the car or what I changed to. That information isn't ready for release.

Called Shaun and let him know I was happy with the car now, it made 405 whp and it was done.

A few days later I get a call, Shaun wants to try the 20gLT/Green.

As of today the car now has our dual muffler set up on it to quiet it down and the LT/Green turbo on it.

Next week it is going to get dyno'd. This is actually an awesome test as this is the 3rd turbo on this car, back to back.

As for any type of non ballbearing non watercooled turbo kit coming from us for under $2,000...............forget it. Not going to happen. The idea has been aborted as I am not happy with what is available or the power it makes.

I think this change is going to prove just how great the Green turbo is.
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 10:13 PM
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Good work dave

Would you mind posting any graphs of the good run?
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 10:28 PM
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so you made 20whp with the test turbo, and 57whp with cams AND the test turbo, or was the 57whp with just cams on his 20G9-5?
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 06:07 AM
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damn that was fast! cant wait to see the results. i know the low to mid range is going to be killer compared to the 50trim, which is what i am wanting.
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 06:43 AM
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We gained about 20 whp with the turbo swaps we did compared to the car just the way it came in with the 20g-9-5. We lost about 60 ft lbs of torque though. Shaun wasn't happy with that.

We then put the cams in his car with the 2nd turbo we tried and the power went up 57 whp.

Yes, I will post a dyno sheet of this. I had actually printed it Friday and forgot to grab it off the dyno.

I will also be posting results of these three turbos.

There is a big cam test coming very soon. The data is done and collected, I just have to compile it and post it. It will be similar to the fuel system testing we just did.
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:07 AM
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David:

Are the cams you put on Shaun's car (the one's you're not at liberty to disclose yet) the BR special grinds that are on Jarrod's car?

Curious indeed.
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 09:10 AM
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I have Seen 420WHP on a NON BB-50Trim with the stock Ecu and Maf, that's All I really want, 450 would be better though
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