Ebay intercooler testing from the Pros at Buschur Racing....the facts, the truth
Well see angrydego, I can see even more why you are mad.........it is all coming out now. Had you had someone with some muscle tighten the clamps or atleast used an impact on them they would have been tight as hell and wouldn't have given you any problem. That is why we suggest an impact on the band clamps.
Very sorry you have to be so angry. I know how you feel, I am constantly angry myself......mostly from dealing with douche bags though.
Very sorry you have to be so angry. I know how you feel, I am constantly angry myself......mostly from dealing with douche bags though.
Buschur Bullet cat back I had put on about 5 months ago that gave me nothing but problems. The clamps never tightened to completely seal and when I took it off all I had to do was unbolt the muffler hanger and it slipped right off at the cat slip joint.
Thanks for helping me make a slow car.
Thanks for helping me make a slow car.
Go to the gym man, I installed the same catback for one of my friends 6 months ago and he has never had any problems with it. And I did not have a impact. I am actually thinking about buying the full turbo back because I really like my friends.
Well see angrydego, I can see even more why you are mad.........it is all coming out now. Had you had someone with some muscle tighten the clamps or atleast used an impact on them they would have been tight as hell and wouldn't have given you any problem. That is why we suggest an impact on the band clamps.
Very sorry you have to be so angry. I know how you feel, I am constantly angry myself......mostly from dealing with douche bags though.
Very sorry you have to be so angry. I know how you feel, I am constantly angry myself......mostly from dealing with douche bags though.
our titanium impact guns were used this last time, and they leaked... but thats ok...
sorry to run off topic.
cb
No lack of muscle here
I just doesn't fit... If you want it I'll sell it cheap
i am loving my buschur turboback... the sound is great and there are no leaks. Dave is right on the fact that you need an impact gun for the clamps
Last edited by evolved83; Sep 27, 2007 at 07:53 AM.
Here you go, we finally did it. I hope everyone is happy now. I know I am.
My car is on the dyno making huge power, 640 whp with the new HTA35R on it. We have our Race FMIC on it which I say is the best FMIC you can buy with your hard earned money. The tempurature today is 62 degrees F in our dyno room.
I made a bunch of pulls this morning and the car was making within 1-3 hp on the last few of 640/511 torque.
When I got done I decided to leave the car on the dyno and put on the Ebay intercooler that is a copy in appearance to the AMS FMIC.
My car is running C16. I am using NO air temp correction for fueling other than when the air is BELOW 50 degrees F. So if the air temp goes UP the fuel stays the same. I am using no timing compensation for anything either. What I am telling you all is the map is the map, it is running what I told it to and not making adjustments.
The last pull I made with our Race FMIC was 643 whp and 511 ft lbs of torque. I MADE NO CHANGES. I left the dyno, had Ted bolt on the new intercooler and came back when he was done.
Here is the important data:
Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 69.80 degrees.
Increase in air temp 7.2 degrees.
Peak boost was 40.3 psi.
We then bolted on the Ebay special that is an AMS attempted copy. Absolutely NO changes were made to anything other than bolting on the I/C.
Car made 633 whp and 505 ft lbs of torque. So not a bad loss at this HP level.
Here is the BAD part.
Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 122 degrees!! That is an increase in air temp of 59.4 degrees in a single gear pull!
Peak boost went up which I find strange as it hit 42.1.
The knock count went up considerably with these higher air temps. To run the car safely I would need to pull atleast a few degrees of timing.
**So in summary the intercooler with 2 more psi boost made 10 less whp than our Race FMIC at that is at big HP levels. The problem is the intercooler is NOT EFFICIENT AT REMOVING HEAT. Which is what it is there for. I am betting the stock FMIC is not much worse than this. An increase of 59.4 degrees is absolutely HUGE in a single gear pull. On a summer day or road race/autocross situation this intercooler would absolutely SUCK.
Bottom line is, you get what you pay for and buying one of these I do not think is a good investment of your money.
My car is on the dyno making huge power, 640 whp with the new HTA35R on it. We have our Race FMIC on it which I say is the best FMIC you can buy with your hard earned money. The tempurature today is 62 degrees F in our dyno room.
I made a bunch of pulls this morning and the car was making within 1-3 hp on the last few of 640/511 torque.
When I got done I decided to leave the car on the dyno and put on the Ebay intercooler that is a copy in appearance to the AMS FMIC.
My car is running C16. I am using NO air temp correction for fueling other than when the air is BELOW 50 degrees F. So if the air temp goes UP the fuel stays the same. I am using no timing compensation for anything either. What I am telling you all is the map is the map, it is running what I told it to and not making adjustments.
The last pull I made with our Race FMIC was 643 whp and 511 ft lbs of torque. I MADE NO CHANGES. I left the dyno, had Ted bolt on the new intercooler and came back when he was done.
Here is the important data:
Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 69.80 degrees.
Increase in air temp 7.2 degrees.
Peak boost was 40.3 psi.
We then bolted on the Ebay special that is an AMS attempted copy. Absolutely NO changes were made to anything other than bolting on the I/C.
Car made 633 whp and 505 ft lbs of torque. So not a bad loss at this HP level.
Here is the BAD part.
Air temp after the intercooler at the start of the pull, 62.60 degrees.
Air temp after the intercooler at the end of the pull, 122 degrees!! That is an increase in air temp of 59.4 degrees in a single gear pull!
Peak boost went up which I find strange as it hit 42.1.
The knock count went up considerably with these higher air temps. To run the car safely I would need to pull atleast a few degrees of timing.
**So in summary the intercooler with 2 more psi boost made 10 less whp than our Race FMIC at that is at big HP levels. The problem is the intercooler is NOT EFFICIENT AT REMOVING HEAT. Which is what it is there for. I am betting the stock FMIC is not much worse than this. An increase of 59.4 degrees is absolutely HUGE in a single gear pull. On a summer day or road race/autocross situation this intercooler would absolutely SUCK.
Bottom line is, you get what you pay for and buying one of these I do not think is a good investment of your money.
What are dimentions of th ebay intercooler core? In all fairness was it the same LxWxH? I bet if this test was redone with the ebay intercoolers today it would be alot differnt. Anyway you could do a rematch with your race intercooler vs Cxracing 31"x12"x4" which has a 24"x12"x4" core 3" inlet/out, as Cxraing is pretty much the "best" ebay brand for intercoolers. Oh an im not bashing on br or anyother name brand but ebay has come a long way, I still would never buy a ebay turbo tho
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The core construction is junk.
Unless they started using higher fin densities and stopped painting them to hide the ****ty brazing job, I'm going to say they are still junk.
Edit:
Yep, same crap *** cores.
Unless they started using higher fin densities and stopped painting them to hide the ****ty brazing job, I'm going to say they are still junk.
Edit:
Yep, same crap *** cores.
First off sorry for bumping a old thread
What are dimentions of th ebay intercooler core? In all fairness was it the same LxWxH? I bet if this test was redone with the ebay intercoolers today it would be alot differnt. Anyway you could do a rematch with your race intercooler vs Cxracing 31"x12"x4" which has a 24"x12"x4" core 3" inlet/out, as Cxraing is pretty much the "best" ebay brand for intercoolers. Oh an im not bashing on br or anyother name brand but ebay has come a long way, I still would never buy a ebay turbo tho.
What are dimentions of th ebay intercooler core? In all fairness was it the same LxWxH? I bet if this test was redone with the ebay intercoolers today it would be alot differnt. Anyway you could do a rematch with your race intercooler vs Cxracing 31"x12"x4" which has a 24"x12"x4" core 3" inlet/out, as Cxraing is pretty much the "best" ebay brand for intercoolers. Oh an im not bashing on br or anyother name brand but ebay has come a long way, I still would never buy a ebay turbo tho
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You get what you pay for. ebay stuff blows.
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Well see angrydego, I can see even more why you are mad.........it is all coming out now. Had you had someone with some muscle tighten the clamps or atleast used an impact on them they would have been tight as hell and wouldn't have given you any problem. That is why we suggest an impact on the band clamps.
Very sorry you have to be so angry. I know how you feel, I am constantly angry myself......mostly from dealing with douche bags though.
thats weird...
our titanium impact guns were used this last time, and they leaked... but thats ok...
sorry to run off topic.
cb
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ahahah, that thread up above made me laugh, David and I snapping at each other... LOL LOL LOL!!!!
im going to have to relink him to it LOL!
cb
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Well see angrydego, I can see even more why you are mad.........it is all coming out now. Had you had someone with some muscle tighten the clamps or atleast used an impact on them they would have been tight as hell and wouldn't have given you any problem. That is why we suggest an impact on the band clamps.
Very sorry you have to be so angry. I know how you feel, I am constantly angry myself......mostly from dealing with douche bags though.
thats weird...
our titanium impact guns were used this last time, and they leaked... but thats ok...
sorry to run off topic.
cb
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ahahah, that thread up above made me laugh, David and I snapping at each other... LOL LOL LOL!!!!
im going to have to relink him to it LOL!
cb
First off sorry for bumping a old thread
What are dimentions of th ebay intercooler core? In all fairness was it the same LxWxH? I bet if this test was redone with the ebay intercoolers today it would be alot differnt. Anyway you could do a rematch with your race intercooler vs Cxracing 31"x12"x4" which has a 24"x12"x4" core 3" inlet/out, as Cxraing is pretty much the "best" ebay brand for intercoolers. Oh an im not bashing on br or anyother name brand but ebay has come a long way, I still would never buy a ebay turbo tho.
What are dimentions of th ebay intercooler core? In all fairness was it the same LxWxH? I bet if this test was redone with the ebay intercoolers today it would be alot differnt. Anyway you could do a rematch with your race intercooler vs Cxracing 31"x12"x4" which has a 24"x12"x4" core 3" inlet/out, as Cxraing is pretty much the "best" ebay brand for intercoolers. Oh an im not bashing on br or anyother name brand but ebay has come a long way, I still would never buy a ebay turbo tho
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