The ball and spring idea, I know exactly where it came from and how old it is, I was there when it was designed. The ceramic ball is also not new, the came guy that did the ball and spring did the ceramic ball first too..................the ball and spring idea goes back to about 1994'ish and was first introduced to me in my driveway of my old house. NOBODY did it before that and until this same guy did the ceramic ball nobody did that.

The spring in your boost controller is exactly the same as many many others, not sure why you would say it is special. It's not even stainless.

The spring we are using is stainless in ours with a much different spring rate. The ceramic ***** have become common in boost controllers too...

To say the homemade DIY Home Depot boost controllers use this same spring/ball design is silly. I have already stated 50 times in this thread that EVERYONE has copied that idea.

Now that everyone can see that there were inline controllers out before yours, I guess you are just as quilty as everyone else.

Now atleast we can be done with this.

 

BTW, so we are very very clear. Nobody from your company (Perrin) offered to have us buy from one of your wholesalers. The email you included is exactly what was offered. You said "NO" we won't sell to us because we were in a competing business and when we called like you asked in your e-mail you again said "no". Please don't attempt to change the story, it is right there in the email you put up what the case is. So what you are trying to say now is a lie, you want these guys to believe you said, "No you can't buy from us direct because you are in a competing business but you can buy from one of our wholesalers." That doesn't even make sense, poorly thought out and fabricated story to try and make yourself look better.

Atleast I have the ***** to stand up and say what I did...........

 

Dave: You are MISSING the point. YOU said you stole MY (PERRIN) part. YOU made a huge production of doing that. YOU have previously been completely ANTI-copying. YOU created this thread. We are only replying to the situation, the circumstances, and only calling you to the carpet from a moral, ethical, etc. standpoint. Any attempt to backpedal now will be VERY apparent to this community. It is unfortunate that a long standing reputation can be summerially ruined and questioned in just one post. That is unfortunate for you.

Jeff PERRIN: Please chime in here on the differences, since Dave has opened the door, between ours and others. Thank you!

Thanks guys!

Adam
PERRIN Performance
503-643-4677 xt 203
adam@perrinperformance.com

 

Dave: I am attempting to get the e-mails from the W/D in PA that contacted you on our behalf to offer you the MBC's (as well as anything else from PERRIN.) I ALWAYS stand up for our company, albeit right wrong or indifferent. BTW: Keep it clean. I will NEVER use crass language for effect. Please respect that for this community.

 

in 1924 my grandpa put a big exhaust on his old flat head ford.. Everyone who has ever built an big exhaust is copying him!!!
he told me he would get rid of the air filter and over the carb with an old thin cotton t-shirt too! anybody using a cotton filter element is copying!!

shame on you! I will see you all in court

 

look at this, the perrin army is larger than the clan of "nutswingers" as they are so delicately called.

i laugh at the notion of his reputation being ruined in one post. that comment is coming from someone with 13 posts, an obvious huge contributor to this community.

i read the entire thread and i don't see any backpeddling at all.

 

I checked Wikipedia for information on MBC's and found nothing about them being invented 13 years ago.... Ok that was a joke, a bad one. But you said 5 years ago, now its 13 years?? All i am saying is that the idea has been around forever, and the ball and spring, AKA adjustable check valve, is not someones invention, if so it might have been a good idea to patent it. But i think that would have been done with somone like :
All-Flo, Norman, Aromat, Swagelock, parker, hyloc, tomco, check-all valve.......(these are companies that maked them)

In fact here is a free patent for one:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4112959.html

The ceramic ball may have been done before us, but truely, we looked for a light precise ball, and that was the best choice, there was no copying there. We don't claim that we invented the use of the ceramic ball by any means.

Back in the day, there were Civics, and Eclipses. These cars both brought the aftermarket world to life. And back then, while you were screwing with turbo cars,(i was playing with my sweet Civic DX, you know you all had one too), you might have come up with some kind way to control boost on the 4g63's, but that is not your point here! You didn't go into this saying i invented the MBC, you said, i am going to rip these guys off, and that is just too bad. That is what makes us mad.

 

I really don't understand the big deal here.

This **** happens constantly in the business world. Business X will "aquire" product Y from business Y, improve on it, change it, whatever, and then sell it as product X. Do you think each auto manufacturer reinvented the wheel when internal combustion engines came about? Doubt it. How about the keyboards you guys are typing on? The screens you're looking at? Didn't think so.

Difference here is that Buschur came right out and said what was gonna happen (just wored it wrong IMO). Other businesses wouldn't dare do that (they don't have the *****). That right there is stand up honest.

Why are people referencing China-made products and DB's stance on that? Those products are made cheaply and are inferior to whatever they are copying. Not only that, but they make no improvements whatsoever.

After looking at the pics of the Perrin and the JoeP MBC's, looks to me that we know where Perrin got the idea. So why is no one saying anything about that to Perrin?

I have nothing against Perrin, so don't take this the wrong way Perrin guys... these are just my observations. It just seems to me that people are quick to bash Buschur (and it always seems to be the same people).

 

5 years ago is when they had their little falling out. ~13 years was when it was designed.

 

who cares!!! LIVE IS NOT FAIR!!!

 

Also, I don't see a problem why you guys couldn't give these to Buschur to sell (even if you guys are competition for each other). Hell, Buschur and AMS (the largest competitors in the Evo world) sell each others parts.

 

_bottom line_ right now you both look bad. Buschur stirs the pot, thats what he does, hes good at it; and perrin just fell for it, hook line and sinker. both of you are just trying to make the other look bad at this point.

Perrin was pretty short sited when they decided not to sell to buschur. no biggy, companies make dumb mistakes and dumb policies like this all the time.

and Buschur was a little melodramatic when he came on here saying he ripped you guys off, but it definitely got your attention and everyone elses on here.

So now we have the two vendors and all the fanbois slugging it out on the forums. nice.

 

I think that David made it pretty clear when he said that he should have worded his original post different, hence the fun being poked at him about a "proofreader". Anybody that thinks Buschurs rep is going to be hurt by this is in their own little dream world. Most people know how Dave is and how he comes across sometimes but we also know he is as honest as can be.

Everyone needs to act like big boys and get over it. Dave didnt steal anything and nothing is going to come out of this besides a great new part being offered.

 

Maybe you should reread the first post Jeff.