^^word^^

Oh and I only have one Buschur product my exhaust manifold. Thanks for asking.

 

Given the context of this post, I think that officially makes you a nutswinger along with Mr. "Word."

You are muddying the waters by trying to compare this thread to the typical "bash oln Buschur" rigmarole. This goes way beyond the pale. This is not business as usual. This is not people calling out Dave because he is polarizing. This is different. Apparently you cannot see it.

 

Oh, cool John, I didn't realize there was an e-mail, thanks for finding it. It atleast backs up my story. Jarrod did speak to someone after that, maybe that's why there was the second phone call. I know he called and ordered and assumed that someone there called back as he was on the phone when I got involved. I guess he must have called you guys back to discuss it further, I assumed it was a call you guys made to us, when it was the email above. Either way, the decision was made, I have no hard feelings. So you know, had we just bought them from you we would have never-ever copied it.

Also, one way to get attention to a thread is controversy!! haha This sucker blew up 3 pages in an hour. Thank you

s2kguy,
See it how you like, the stealing a car is completely different. I don't wish to argue.

The difference between most people and myself I will tell the truth about something regardless of what anyone thinks, this is a perfect example. I could have just put up a post saying, "Here's out new boost controller, come and buy it" instead I felt obligated to give some history.

So any of you that think all this isn't right, do not buy a manual boost controller from ANYONE that uses a ball and a spring other than the guy who originally designed it.

 

F**ker stole my idea.

 

To the guys at Perrin.

You must be kidding. You have posted the email saying you would not sell to us, there is the proof. Jarrod then called you guys as you requested and still said you would not sell to us. He then told you flat out, if you won't sell to us then we will copy it. You said go ahed. YOU GUYS also sent me the catalog, I didn't ask you for a catalog, YOU SENT IT TO ME. Seems to me like if you didn't want to sell to us you wouldn't waste your time sending a catalog and mine looking at it.

Also, we did NOT buy from a vendor, Jarrod called and ordered directly from you on his own.

My values should not be in question. You are the fools that chose not to sell it to me. The design is NOT SUPERIOR, YOU have stolen the ball and spring design of the originator of that just as everyone else has. Difference is you guys don't even know that as you are so new to the market that you didn't know the history of the ball and spring designed boost controller. So YOU have copied someone too.

The only thing I liked about the controller was it's inline design. SO it is NOT a blatant copy of yours. Yours is actually ugly and bulky compared to what I posted. Yours is made from hex stock and looks like a huge red nut. Mine is slim and round and the final product is to be nerled.

WTF is this? "PERRIN will continue to support this community and enjoy working with you!" That's a laughable statement to say the least. WTF have you guys done for the EVO community? You made a big bulky alky kit, big deal.

Your lucky this thread was started or nobody would still know who you are! haha

As for Crawford, being one of your stupid examples to try and discredit me after your ignorance of not selling to me. I have a Crawford can on my Subaru. They were more than willing to sell to me. So when I got it and it didn't fit my application I redesigned it, made a post about the redesign, sent customers to them and they have no implemented the designs and will be selling a new product that fits and works with TMIC's. That's how I usually operate. Dealing with your **** poor company though took me another direction.

 

4bangr, that's awesome! haha Who's is that one? Better watch out, you are going to get called a crook too! haha Seriously, how long as that been around? Maybe it was Perrin who copied them?

 

4bangr posted a picture of the same basic design of this type of boost controller, I had never seen that one before and I am interested to know how long it has been around.

I think I mispoke when I said I blatantly copied Perrin's boost controller. I don't have a picture of their boost controller. It is large in diameter, and hex shaped.

The basic idea is what I guess I copied. I liked the inline design of it.

For me to get blasted like I am is partially my fault because of how I worded the entire opening post. I made it sound much more like a "blatant copy" than it is.

The only part I copied is the idea of not having the boost controller have to turn 90 degrees from the in and out port. That's it. Look at the boost controller in the picture I posted and then at the one Perrin sells, not even remotely similar in how they look.

For all I know there is another company out there that made these "inline" before.

Most manual boost controllers have an inlet on the bottom, which pushed the ball/spring off a seat then passes out the side of the controller to the wastegate. The only difference is between those and this one is the boost passes straight through and cleans up the design.

ANYONE ANYONE making or building manual boost controller TODAY has copied it, from one guy who developed it 10+ years ago. So there is only ONE guy not quilty of every single boost control company currently out there. Go point your fingers elsewhere.

I am not saying it is right, I don't honestly like it. It is apparent though that some companies leave other companies NO choice but to do the same thing.

Look at the EVO's. Just about every EVO owner now has a mini battery kit in his car so he can have a nice engine bay and short routed I/C pipes. I WAS THE FIRST ONE TO DO THAT. When I did it the guys here told me I was stupid, they said nobody was going to buy a $225 battery kit just to run the I/C pipes shorter. Well guess what? They were wrong and now just about every one out there has copied that mini battery kit along with the routing of the i/c pipes. That is just one example, you want 100 more of the parts I DESIGNED that have been knocked off by others? How about double pumpers, coil on plug ignitions, FMIC's, exhausts etc. etc.

Calling me a thief is laughable. I shouldn't have put the story up the way I did and then I'd only be praised. Instead I put the entire story out there which basically says ALL OF US BUILDING BOOST CONTROLLERS WITH A BALL AND SPRING THEM ARE STEALING FROM THE ORIGINATOR.

The guys that are slamming me (other than skunk) always jump my *** anyway, so I don't care. You guys just keep yourselves up to date in my mind of people not to like.

 

nutrulz, love that example! haha That's about the same as what I did.

 

David, people always have choice.

 

Well... I went to Perrin's website and could not find this boost controller setup.. just wanted to see the physical diff. between Dave's and Perrin's or rather Dave's/Perrin's and Perrin's :wink:

 

Well - its clear to me after looking at this picture that the new Buschur MBC is totally different than the Perrin one - which is a good thing. Although I use and sell Perrin parts for subarus their MBC is not one of my personal favorite units.

Its clear that the Buschur design is very different - not just a knock off

AL

 

First off, maybe if you would explain things better... you wouldn't get bashed. Your very first post said you were going to take their design and copy it, followed with "that's what we did". You were very proud of this.

Second, I've recommended you to just about anyone looking for parts. If you look at posts I've responded to when people ask "who has the best whatever" its your shop (and recently AMS) whose name I throw there. I've bought most of my current mods from you, was planning to buy fmic, injectors, and 20g lt. Not so sure of that now.


It would have been infinitely smarter on your part to say "we didn't like the current boost controllers that much, and the one we thought would do the trick was unavailable to us. So instead we designed our own, here it is"

Your first post comes across as you bragging about ripping off someone else's design, plain and simple.

 

I have known David Buschur for a long time and I have found him to be honest and ethical to a T. In fact he is the most honest and ethical guy I know.

I think ths situation at hand boiled down to what David said above - he wanted to buy the part - you guys refused to sell it so he then just made his own.

I know Buschur resells a lot of stuff they could simply copy - e.g. Forge MBC, etc etc etc but that has not been his style at all

I think David is only all too happy to simply sell someone else's part and not have to go to all the R & D and additional investment to make it from scratch - however - it seems this case was unique in that you guys staight out refused to sell the item to him

Al

 

Jeez, you want to know whats really sad?

I'll probably STILL end up buying Buschur's products because he makes what I need to get my car where I want it... (basically i really want that 20g lt)

So pathetic

 

Personally.... business is business. Dave called Perrin and asked to buy them. He thought enough of their product to re-sell them. We know Buschur Racing doesnt sell garbage. I dont personally run any of his products but thats only cause I purchased alot of my mods before every seeing this forum. Alot of my buddies run Buschur and AMS products. Obviously this boost controller setup is the next evolution in boost control. Dave felt he should be part of it or at the very least get it out there. If Dave was buying them Perrin he would maybe make 10-15 dollars on them. That was ok with him. Perrin denied him. He still felt the design was superior to the alternatives out there .. so he copied some of it. Buy Perrin or buy Buschur... they both do the same thing. The whole thing will be on ebay in the next 10 days anyways ....