Racing wouldnt be racing without rivalry

 

why not save yourself some frustration and buy a stage III block from dave? seems logical. i doubt you would listen to him anyhow. your engine builder is even trying to talk you out of what you think is best, and you don't listen to them. i sit back and laugh at this car in all honesty. you've bragged on how much you have involved, but you've done everyhing 2-3 times. wise up kiddo. it's not easy to have a reliable 9sec car. it's deff not easy to build an 8sec car. and when you have minimal (i use minimal VERY lightly) engine building experience, but try to spec out your build, and don't listen to the experts, it's a recipe for disaster. you're planning on running 10:1 c/r this time around, with no regards to the amount of boost you're going to need to run for 8's. you don't have an fsi engine here...as always, looking forward to seeing the next carnage thread. and of course, the build thread following proving once again, you're going to reinvent the wheel.

 

As far as I know most people learn by trial and error. Just because some company's have found certain parts work fairly reliable in a low 9second or 8second car doesn't mean those are the only parts to use. There may be a better solution than what is already used, and that is found by experimenting with different parts as well as a different combination of them.

Paul did you receive my last pm? Haven't heard back from you, I will shoot you another.

 

no, you're right. you do post up what other shops won't. you don't have a lively hood invested in a tuning shop. big difference.

you don't have faith in your engine builder, because you've taken their advice and tossed it out the window. you think you know better, because at the end of the day you're paying the bill. some shops will do w/e it takes to please their clientel, and do what they want. the shops i know, would tell you to take your build down the road. there's nothing wrong with not wanting to play follow the leader. this i applaud you for. nobody goes faster if they do. but you're deff no expert, and you refuse to listen to them.

i don't know what makes you think that you know me. i'm just a guy who knows how to shut up and listen.

-jason

 

 

and you think a credit card tuner will know what these solutions are?
heres the thing. there are people who lead in this industry for a reason. they have experience. the op certainly does not. i all but guarentee, he spec'd out the last motor, and you see the killer results. he thinks it's because he's so "hardcore" and pushed the motor with the tune....i hate to tell you, this wasn't the issue. listen to the experts, and find out why this happened. adding static compression is only going to magnify his issues.

it may seem like i'm a little harsh, i just suck at sugar coating what i see. enjoy the build. i'm sure you'll get all the emoticons you can handle.

 

As far as I've seen ifarted2 has been a real stand up guy on this forum. I can't remember a time I've seen him pat himself on the back or big himself up. He is just like any of us, a guy who has a close relationship with his tuner and trying to do well.

In this thread he has been forthcoming about some issues they had which is way more than any other engine builder on this forum does. I can't see how he gets attacked over and over. It's ridiculous.

"under_boost"... the point you're making is just buy a Buschur block? Oh boy Did you ever consider some people like to do things on their own? That is how you really learn last time I checked.

 

I agree with some parts you have suggested; yes, as C&C Performance has pointed out, lowering the compression would most likely help the black death issue incurred.

But, on the other hand you talk of experience. How did the "people who lead the industry" become experienced? This simply can not happen with out trial and error.

A motor is put together with certain parts that should perform well in a specific application, those parts are pushed to the limit. The motor may fail due to a certain part being pushed past its' limit, that part is changed and it is tried again until the results are what we are looking for. Then we come to the "ideal" motor for certain horsepower goals.

 

the only problem with this logic is, you figure out what the problem was, and fix it. this kid is changing everything in hope for better results. the trial and error is done by changing what is broke, and run it til the next weakest link breaks. do you think when professionals break motors, they change their complete set-up? do you think professionals just keep cranking the boost to maintain their time/power, and blame it on track conditions/driving? NO! you repeatedly look at the data logs, and look for ways to improve what you have. if your time is slipping every event, and the data logs are consistant from event to event, you ~should know you have an issue. not just keep cranking the boost, let your car bake in the sun, and grab a burger. maybe i just think to logical. idk.

i'm not here to hate on the op. he obviously knows what he is doing, by the looks of his motor. if it were so easy, he would learn how to use a torque wrench and do it himself. not tell an engine builder how to build the motor. you don't tell mcdonalds how to make your sandwich do you?

 

I do! Gotta tell them to lay off the onions

 

He wants to do things his way. God forebid he takes some advice. He will learn some day to watch his own video's and data logs then it will hit him.

 

dude, the guy hasnt blown rods through 5 blocks. your blowing it out of proportion. He also has 300+ passes on that motor with those pistons with the scoring. I mean i'm not saying it cant be avoided, but your kinda being hard on someone who asks what he can and tries what he cant find out.



Your also contradicting yourself big time You claim you shut up and listen, you claim he should listen, listen, listen, but you think any bigger shops are gonna give someone the recipe to build their own 8 sec car??? no they wont and I know this might sound crazy, BUT SOME PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT THEMSELVES. Some people dont want to buy someone elses motor. I mean kudos to him to be willing to try things, blow things up and then try completely different things, THEN PUT IT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC EYE.

Your also knocking him because he tells of things other guys wont. What do you think? people go to Buschur and Ams because they dont know how to put together a motor? You think its some big secret to go fast? I mean SHlT, I dont ask for secrets on parts but I brought my own car to Buschur to get tuned when I worked at my previous job (import shop) because we had no tuner that was qualified to my liking. As wrong as it may have seemed, I believe buschur was the best guy for the job.




Some people want to build things their own way and learn by their own experiences and spend their money the way they want to. If he wants to change his WHOLE setup because one thing didnt work then so be it. A shop I also work with locally has a 04 z06 in their shop right now then went 7.50@186 mph. The car was making around 1400whp. The guy changed the turbo setup (bigger) and the car made 1200whp and no matter what they did, they couldnt get past that when they raised the boost. The guy eventually got pissed off, built a whole new motor, head, made a new intake manifold and put twin T6 HUGE turbos in the trunk.

People change setups ALL the time, alot of times if they dont feel like diagnosing or dealing with BS. Thats why his money, stop knockin the guy

 

Let me start off by saying you really don't have a clue how me and Lucas work together. I have a great Team here between ETS, English Racing and People ive met here on EvoM. We data log and check everything. We do nothing but constantly work at figuring things out and than go back and look at things again and again to figure out a solution. This to me is the biggest turn on for me. Working as a team to solve problems,disappointment's,and TEAM WORK. I do not just up and throw things out the window. We have been working closely with Marco,Martin and many others who have allot of experience with high hp 4g63.

You can keep saying all your hate but in the end we will hit our goals i have no doubt

 

great stuff paul

 

Well we really have no idea how many BR or AMS motors ever have problems because they would never be allowed to hit the board and if they did they will be erased with in a half hour. I know AL is on at least his 2nd motor and Shep has been through one. I feel the things that there motor failed from would have happened to anyone motors.

Paul and I do work very close. You have to remember I am the 4th shop Paul has been to and I am the only one who has even gotten him close to his Goal. The amount of $$ with me is still less then the other shops combined. Most any mistake I feel we could have avoided I have fixed for free or hooked him up very well.

Well we are going to give the 10:1 a try and I feel with the extra wall clearance running the motor cooler it will work better. I am sure we will let you guy know how it works through out the year.

Another thing I am thinking of trying like is the Total Seal Rings. My Machine guy say we could be beating the Maley out of these rings and that it could be sticking to the wall caucusing the black death to be worse.

Anyway I assure you Paul is not paying top $$ for this work and we are learning in the process and will figure it out in the end. So you can either be a help to the team in figuring out the small tricks our you can keep telling us to give up which will not happen.