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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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pretty much true of any racing.

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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Evoryder
...this is so true. I don't know how you guys do it.
Its called addiction !

Like a drug addict you find the money to keep going somehow. Often robbing Peter to pay Paul. In my case, withot the generous help of my sponsors and the ability to have a free lift, dyno and shop supplies at work and parts at wholesale I certainly could not afford to ever do any of this.

Drag racing an evo and going fast can be a very expensive hobby.

When everything is "right" the feeling almost makes it all worth while.

You have to respect the sacrifice, determination and dedication of guys like Paul.

There have been a lot of guys who came and went since the evo first started who could not keep in the hunt - e.g. Boost Soultions, etc.

Guys like Buschur and Shep who have been doing it for so many years really amaze me with the dedication they demonstrate time and time again.

Al
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by under_boost
why not save yourself some frustration and buy a stage III block from dave? seems logical. i doubt you would listen to him anyhow. your engine builder is even trying to talk you out of what you think is best, and you don't listen to them. i sit back and laugh at this car in all honesty. you've bragged on how much you have involved, but you've done everyhing 2-3 times. wise up kiddo. it's not easy to have a reliable 9sec car. it's deff not easy to build an 8sec car. and when you have minimal (i use minimal VERY lightly) engine building experience, but try to spec out your build, and don't listen to the experts, it's a recipe for disaster. you're planning on running 10:1 c/r this time around, with no regards to the amount of boost you're going to need to run for 8's. you don't have an fsi engine here...as always, looking forward to seeing the next carnage thread. and of course, the build thread following proving once again, you're going to reinvent the wheel.
Originally Posted by under_boost
no, you're right. you do post up what other shops won't. you don't have a lively hood invested in a tuning shop. big difference.

you don't have faith in your engine builder, because you've taken their advice and tossed it out the window. you think you know better, because at the end of the day you're paying the bill. some shops will do w/e it takes to please their clientel, and do what they want. the shops i know, would tell you to take your build down the road. there's nothing wrong with not wanting to play follow the leader. this i applaud you for. nobody goes faster if they do. but you're deff no expert, and you refuse to listen to them.

i don't know what makes you think that you know me. i'm just a guy who knows how to shut up and listen.

-jason
Originally Posted by under_boost
and you think a credit card tuner will know what these solutions are?
heres the thing. there are people who lead in this industry for a reason. they have experience. the op certainly does not. i all but guarentee, he spec'd out the last motor, and you see the killer results. he thinks it's because he's so "hardcore" and pushed the motor with the tune....i hate to tell you, this wasn't the issue. listen to the experts, and find out why this happened. adding static compression is only going to magnify his issues.

it may seem like i'm a little harsh, i just suck at sugar coating what i see. enjoy the build. i'm sure you'll get all the emoticons you can handle.
well said jason.

Total Seal Rings.... stay away from those.

Doesnt Buschur build all his engines with nothing higher than stock C/R?

10.0 at 50+psi... you dont have direct injection bro.
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 07:56 PM
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Thumbs up

Originally Posted by CBRD
good luck paul

cb

let me know about the rad, i can do whatever u want.

cb
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FWIW, success with TS rings appears to be heavily dependent upon a 'dry' break in procedure. I've seen it emphasized by those who use them successfully that unless sufficient care is seen to do this, they will never seat properly.

Just FYI
Originally Posted by Ted B
There is as much value in the journey as the endpoint.

It is virtuous to have someone who is a courageous, genuinely nice guy who is willing to take on the headaches, and allow the rest of us share in his experiences without incurring the hassles and expenses. The content of this forum is FAR more interesting and valuable when someone shares the successes AND the failures of his project.

Nothing so outrageous as Paul's project is attained without setbacks, and there is a great deal to be learned from understanding the cause of those setbacks and successfully overcoming them. Whomever should think for a minute that others around this level have not and do not experience setbacks and failures is living in a fantasy world.

Paul may have broken a few parts, but he's forged many more friendships.
Originally Posted by Lucas English
Well we really have no idea how many BR or AMS motors ever have problems because they would never be allowed to hit the board and if they did they will be erased with in a half hour. I know AL is on at least his 2nd motor and Shep has been through one. I feel the things that there motor failed from would have happened to anyone motors.

Paul and I do work very close. You have to remember I am the 4th shop Paul has been to and I am the only one who has even gotten him close to his Goal. The amount of $$ with me is still less then the other shops combined. Most any mistake I feel we could have avoided I have fixed for free or hooked him up very well.

Well we are going to give the 10:1 a try and I feel with the extra wall clearance running the motor cooler it will work better. I am sure we will let you guy know how it works through out the year.

Another thing I am thinking of trying like is the Total Seal Rings. My Machine guy say we could be beating the Maley out of these rings and that it could be sticking to the wall caucusing the black death to be worse.

Anyway I assure you Paul is not paying top $$ for this work and we are learning in the process and will figure it out in the end. So you can either be a help to the team in figuring out the small tricks our you can keep telling us to give up which will not happen.
Originally Posted by Steve@TopLevelAuto
dude, the guy hasnt blown rods through 5 blocks. your blowing it out of proportion. He also has 300+ passes on that motor with those pistons with the scoring. I mean i'm not saying it cant be avoided, but your kinda being hard on someone who asks what he can and tries what he cant find out.



Your also contradicting yourself big time You claim you shut up and listen, you claim he should listen, listen, listen, but you think any bigger shops are gonna give someone the recipe to build their own 8 sec car??? no they wont and I know this might sound crazy, BUT SOME PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT THEMSELVES. Some people dont want to buy someone elses motor. I mean kudos to him to be willing to try things, blow things up and then try completely different things, THEN PUT IT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC EYE.

Your also knocking him because he tells of things other guys wont. What do you think? people go to Buschur and Ams because they dont know how to put together a motor? You think its some big secret to go fast? I mean SHlT, I dont ask for secrets on parts but I brought my own car to Buschur to get tuned when I worked at my previous job (import shop) because we had no tuner that was qualified to my liking. As wrong as it may have seemed, I believe buschur was the best guy for the job.




Some people want to build things their own way and learn by their own experiences and spend their money the way they want to. If he wants to change his WHOLE setup because one thing didnt work then so be it. A shop I also work with locally has a 04 z06 in their shop right now then went 7.50@186 mph. The car was making around 1400whp. The guy changed the turbo setup (bigger) and the car made 1200whp and no matter what they did, they couldnt get past that when they raised the boost. The guy eventually got pissed off, built a whole new motor, head, made a new intake manifold and put twin T6 HUGE turbos in the trunk.

People change setups ALL the time, alot of times if they dont feel like diagnosing or dealing with BS. Thats why his money, stop knockin the guy
Originally Posted by crcain
As far as I've seen ifarted2 has been a real stand up guy on this forum. I can't remember a time I've seen him pat himself on the back or big himself up. He is just like any of us, a guy who has a close relationship with his tuner and trying to do well.

In this thread he has been forthcoming about some issues they had which is way more than any other engine builder on this forum does. I can't see how he gets attacked over and over. It's ridiculous.

"under_boost"... the point you're making is just buy a Buschur block? Oh boy Did you ever consider some people like to do things on their own? That is how you really learn last time I checked.

Well said These are real people like me who want to learn and race. To me one pass wonders is not racing. Breaking things and putting them back together is racing. Going onto a car forum and putting yourself out there for real help and advice not **** talk and put downs shows true colors of some people
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Its called addiction !

Like a drug addict you find the money to keep going somehow. Often robbing Peter to pay Paul. In my case, withot the generous help of my sponsors and the ability to have a free lift, dyno and shop supplies at work and parts at wholesale I certainly could not afford to ever do any of this.

Drag racing an evo and going fast can be a very expensive hobby.

When everything is "right" the feeling almost makes it all worth while.

You have to respect the sacrifice, determination and dedication of guys like Paul.

There have been a lot of guys who came and went since the evo first started who could not keep in the hunt - e.g. Boost Soultions, etc.

Guys like Buschur and Shep who have been doing it for so many years really amaze me with the dedication they demonstrate time and time again.

Al

Thanks Al!
I have allot of respect for you. You have been at it a long time and have taken allot of **** from people but you keep plugging away
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by vwjeff
well said jason.

Total Seal Rings.... stay away from those.

Doesnt Buschur build all his engines with nothing higher than stock C/R?

10.0 at 50+psi... you dont have direct injection bro.
I am curious to see the results of the high comprssion engines
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ifarted2
Thanks Al!
I have allot of respect for you. You have been at it a long time and have taken allot of **** from people but you keep plugging away
As long as the people who are giving me **** are the ones I have beat at the track I am ok with it !

Sadly there is no hope for me, I am an Evo and STI drag racing addict - it gets even more toxic wen you have two cars as you have no time to rest - usually one or the other is apart or even worse both
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Old Dec 24, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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what are the breeds? I love big nice dogs.
Rotty and Pittbull
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Old Dec 25, 2007 | 08:50 AM
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pre warning the Hellfire top ring sucks to file fit
Amen. Its as bad as playing "Operation".
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Evoryder
...this is so true. I don't know how you guys do it.
They do it very very carefully, its for the love of going fast.

Good luck Paul

Tom
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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Had some time this morning to check out my car.

Lucas and Crew have been working hard to get the weight out. Each door mechanism plus some sheet metal was about 16lbs. The front windshield i would say we saved 40lbs and sides were 3-4lbs each. Back was 12-15lbs.










Here is my crank ready to go in. Lucas is picking up the block today and will be putting her together





Some pics of the Tial Housing and my Turbo. I went down the street from Lucas Shop over to ETS






Some random pics of stuff at ETS


Orders galore thxs to you guys




The Motor should be done by next wed. Than it goes up to ETS for the rest of it.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Did I see you with UFC fighter Ed Herman?
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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Did I see you with UFC fighter Ed Herman?
Ed is a really good friend of mine and we have been training now for over 6 years together Ive been back at it again and have lost 14lbs in 2 weeks! My goal is 190lbs which should help with drag racing
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:23 PM
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wow man cars looking great. keep up the good work and cant wait to see the outcome
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Grockit
wow man cars looking great. keep up the good work and cant wait to see the outcome
Thxs! Cant wait to get to the track soon
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