New turbo kit and much more.....
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All of the "shootouts" between vendors occur on the west coast. I assume the mag authors also live on the left coast and are too damn cheap or lazy to travel. It is very easy to create an "event" when willing vendors are within a few miles. Enough of this crap!!! I’m tired of reading about panty waist 91 octane performance. The fast EVO's are on the east coast and it is time the mags starting writing articles about real men and real EVO's, like Al! 
.... and me. 
Buschur has more 4G63 time slips in his glove box than these west coast "tuners" have hours of 4G63 experience; combined! There are thousands of Buschur exhausts with years of use on them performing perfectly. Some people do understand that an exhaust's job description is to pass gas from the front to the back with the least resistance. That is it; it is just a damn pipe..... not a verb .
Enough of these incestuous West Coast comparo’s!!! We demand East Coast participation!! Write the primary magazines demanding they include the most experienced tuners!!
Speedlimit..
.... and me. Buschur has more 4G63 time slips in his glove box than these west coast "tuners" have hours of 4G63 experience; combined! There are thousands of Buschur exhausts with years of use on them performing perfectly. Some people do understand that an exhaust's job description is to pass gas from the front to the back with the least resistance. That is it; it is just a damn pipe..... not a verb .
Enough of these incestuous West Coast comparo’s!!! We demand East Coast participation!! Write the primary magazines demanding they include the most experienced tuners!!
Speedlimit..
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People, sometimes you new guys make me crazy. First of all this DAVID BUSCHUR you are talking to, a pioneer with the 4G63 and someone who has been fabricating parts forever. To question his ability or quality is insane. Secondly, I think he has every right to be upset about being excluded from EVO shootouts, as I'm upset everytime I see heavily modded EVOs running low 13's. Having been to multiple DSM Shootouts I will go on recored to say that he makes great products and stands by them. If he puts out something it's because it makes your car faster, not necessarily prettier. Dave, I'm looking forward to all of your EVO products!
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When and if I get my Evo Buschur will be the first place I go looking for knowledge/parts. No offense to anyone else but previous performance means lots to me... and Buschur Racing has a past that is VERY impressive.
Thanks for all the kind words guys, I appreciate them. Just a quick story that kind of relates how I feel about alot of this business of building parts.
My father works for me, he is a retired steel worker. He put in 30 years at LTV steel, I put in 9-1/2 and quite. Anyway, a few years ago I was building exhausts as fast as I could at the end of the day. I was handing them to my dad and telling him to "paint it here and here". I went back to welding and yelled back to him, "don't let the paint run all over and make it look even." He comes over to me, grabs me by the arm and says, "Are you forgetting my name is on these parts too?" I had to think about it for a minute and then just chuckled to him. It is a good point and I have never forgot it. When a part leaves here it is "my" name on the part. When I run into someone at the track and introduce myself there is the name again. I don't want to be associated with "****". The people that work here with me are mostly family. Two of the others are my best of friends. We do our best, I guess that is the bottom line.
Now onto the questions.
Why internal gate? If you can control the boost with an internal gate there is little reason for the extra room of an external. We have had great luck controlling the boost of these new turbos with the internal gate. With it you have no noise and no additional cost. This saves the customer over $400 on the cost of the kit.
500 HP turbo spool up? Not sure yet. We built this turbo to compete with the BR 20G that we have run for years. The 20g's quite honestly kick butt. Problem is they cost $1350 now and there is nothing we can do about that. Also the supply on them sucks. We are hoping we can get it to compete with the 20G. The 20g started to spool in a well tuned car around 2,000rpm and had 20+ psi at 3,000.
This turbo is a standard bearing, no ball bearing. I have had nothing but multiple failures using ball bearing turbos.
The picture of the manifold and turbo are on our website.
The turbo kit will include the turbo, manifold, 02 housing and oil lines, this should all be under $2500.
Heat shield. The manifold will use the factory heat shield.
Fuel system will have to addressed like I said. An upgraded fuel pump, injectors and regulator.
The fuel management will not be handled by the AFC2. I think it could handle it but once someone makes the step to this much HP there will be better choices. We are working with AEM to get units for the EVO done. That will be our first choice.
BLACKEVO, you said you doubt a turbo kit for $3300 will produce 500 hp. The $3300 was the supporting mods that went along with the turbo kit. End price will be closer to $6,000, give or take some.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
My father works for me, he is a retired steel worker. He put in 30 years at LTV steel, I put in 9-1/2 and quite. Anyway, a few years ago I was building exhausts as fast as I could at the end of the day. I was handing them to my dad and telling him to "paint it here and here". I went back to welding and yelled back to him, "don't let the paint run all over and make it look even." He comes over to me, grabs me by the arm and says, "Are you forgetting my name is on these parts too?" I had to think about it for a minute and then just chuckled to him. It is a good point and I have never forgot it. When a part leaves here it is "my" name on the part. When I run into someone at the track and introduce myself there is the name again. I don't want to be associated with "****". The people that work here with me are mostly family. Two of the others are my best of friends. We do our best, I guess that is the bottom line.
Now onto the questions.
Why internal gate? If you can control the boost with an internal gate there is little reason for the extra room of an external. We have had great luck controlling the boost of these new turbos with the internal gate. With it you have no noise and no additional cost. This saves the customer over $400 on the cost of the kit.
500 HP turbo spool up? Not sure yet. We built this turbo to compete with the BR 20G that we have run for years. The 20g's quite honestly kick butt. Problem is they cost $1350 now and there is nothing we can do about that. Also the supply on them sucks. We are hoping we can get it to compete with the 20G. The 20g started to spool in a well tuned car around 2,000rpm and had 20+ psi at 3,000.
This turbo is a standard bearing, no ball bearing. I have had nothing but multiple failures using ball bearing turbos.
The picture of the manifold and turbo are on our website.
The turbo kit will include the turbo, manifold, 02 housing and oil lines, this should all be under $2500.
Heat shield. The manifold will use the factory heat shield.
Fuel system will have to addressed like I said. An upgraded fuel pump, injectors and regulator.
The fuel management will not be handled by the AFC2. I think it could handle it but once someone makes the step to this much HP there will be better choices. We are working with AEM to get units for the EVO done. That will be our first choice.
BLACKEVO, you said you doubt a turbo kit for $3300 will produce 500 hp. The $3300 was the supporting mods that went along with the turbo kit. End price will be closer to $6,000, give or take some.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
David,
All the mods on my car I purchased from you, except for the HKS cams - and thats only because when I called you guys said you didn't sell them.
I also met you at the DSM shootout, where you talked to me about your intercooler pipe kit and told me about the recall on my exhaust. As far as vendors go, no one treated me nicer than Buschur Racing (and I talked to them all). No offense Mach V, but one of your guys totally blew me off when I was expressing interest in buying a twin disc clutch. I gave that business to DRC Imports here on this board.
My BR exhaust is AWESOME. I love the sound, it's just right at all RPM's, and it doesn't drone at highway speeds unlike the stock exhaust setup on my last Camaro SS. The BR exhaust sounds like real DSM's - agressive and unobtrusive. I could give a rats *** about bling bling exhaust (nevermind my avatar
), I'll leave that to the Honda guys.
Every now and then, but not often enough, you run across a deal where you get top of the line product at the least expensive prices - and that's exactly what I got with the Buschur DP, test pipe and cat back.
I want to be on your list for first shipments of the turbo kit!
All the mods on my car I purchased from you, except for the HKS cams - and thats only because when I called you guys said you didn't sell them.
I also met you at the DSM shootout, where you talked to me about your intercooler pipe kit and told me about the recall on my exhaust. As far as vendors go, no one treated me nicer than Buschur Racing (and I talked to them all). No offense Mach V, but one of your guys totally blew me off when I was expressing interest in buying a twin disc clutch. I gave that business to DRC Imports here on this board.
My BR exhaust is AWESOME. I love the sound, it's just right at all RPM's, and it doesn't drone at highway speeds unlike the stock exhaust setup on my last Camaro SS. The BR exhaust sounds like real DSM's - agressive and unobtrusive. I could give a rats *** about bling bling exhaust (nevermind my avatar
), I'll leave that to the Honda guys.Every now and then, but not often enough, you run across a deal where you get top of the line product at the least expensive prices - and that's exactly what I got with the Buschur DP, test pipe and cat back.
I want to be on your list for first shipments of the turbo kit!
David -
I noticed a lot of people here are posting for interests in drag racing. I am not a drag racer, just someone who likes some good, usable road power (for the occasional Vette or Ferrari dust-off - don't laugh, I've killed both in Cali). So far I have a full intake, hardpipe kit, 3" turbo-back exhaust, ECU flash and some suspension mods (Cusco strut braces). Dyno has shown about 310 whp now (on a Dynojet). What is your suggestion to add about 50 or so whp? I was thinking a larger intercooler, but what else? Having spent about $3,500 so far, I don't want to break the bank, but I don't want crap either. Your new turbo sounds nice, but I think it's overkill for what I want.
Also, who would you recommend for installs in the N. VA area? I met a guy last night named Brian from Ultimate Performance who said he does most of Mach V's installs. Any info?
Sorry for all of the questions, but now that I am on the east coast, I need a source for this stuff.
Chris
I noticed a lot of people here are posting for interests in drag racing. I am not a drag racer, just someone who likes some good, usable road power (for the occasional Vette or Ferrari dust-off - don't laugh, I've killed both in Cali). So far I have a full intake, hardpipe kit, 3" turbo-back exhaust, ECU flash and some suspension mods (Cusco strut braces). Dyno has shown about 310 whp now (on a Dynojet). What is your suggestion to add about 50 or so whp? I was thinking a larger intercooler, but what else? Having spent about $3,500 so far, I don't want to break the bank, but I don't want crap either. Your new turbo sounds nice, but I think it's overkill for what I want.
Also, who would you recommend for installs in the N. VA area? I met a guy last night named Brian from Ultimate Performance who said he does most of Mach V's installs. Any info?
Sorry for all of the questions, but now that I am on the east coast, I need a source for this stuff.
Chris
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Originally posted by blackevo2001
give me one good reason, why I should go with bushur turbo kit, and not greddy or hks?
give me one good reason, why I should go with bushur turbo kit, and not greddy or hks?
Speedlimit....
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Checkout the fastest DSM times and the number of greddy turbo's in use by racers. http://www.dsmtimes.org/awd.htm
Last edited by Speedlimit; Aug 9, 2003 at 10:08 AM.
hey David, if you say that the new turbo should behave like the 20g, and the 20g is pushing 20psi at 3000rpm's, that would make it spool up faster than the stock turbo, right? The stock turbo will get 20psi at 3500rpm. Im a bit confused since I've always heard of 20g's spooled up at no less than 4000rpm. Correct me if im wrong. If this indeed is true then that turbo sounds like a dream
The 20G in a WELL tuned car will make around 20 psi at 3,000 rpm. In a DSM tuned well enough to make 420 whp+ on a 20G you will see this. Generally they have been converted to speed density (no more MAS), have a set of cams in them, nice non restrictive FMIC, full 3" exhaust. I don't see a reason why the EVO won't do the same thing with the same mods. Getting rid of the MAS won't be as easy as it use to be though. You use to be able to plug a VPC in the car and go!
One good reason to buy our turbo kit over HKS or Greddy. Well if I am limited to one then I am going to go with the fact that it will be HALF THE MONEY. $2500 vs. $5400.
We aren't building our EVO for drag racing. The easiest way for us to judge our hard work though is the drag strip and the dyno. We are drag racers here, I am not trying to fool anyone. In the case of the EVO though I wouldn't think of turning it into a drag only car, it is just too much fun to drive fast in all situations.
You asked how to get another 50 hp from where you are and said you are making 310 now. I am going to say an upper intercooler pipe that will shorten the plumbing (ours is mandrel bent ss and is around a foot shorter and has 6 less bends than stock) and a FMIC. You could also do just an intercooler pipe upgrade and add a set of cams. The HKS cams are bringing HP up around 30 hp.
As for installs in the Virginia area, I have no idea. Sorry.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
One good reason to buy our turbo kit over HKS or Greddy. Well if I am limited to one then I am going to go with the fact that it will be HALF THE MONEY. $2500 vs. $5400.
We aren't building our EVO for drag racing. The easiest way for us to judge our hard work though is the drag strip and the dyno. We are drag racers here, I am not trying to fool anyone. In the case of the EVO though I wouldn't think of turning it into a drag only car, it is just too much fun to drive fast in all situations.
You asked how to get another 50 hp from where you are and said you are making 310 now. I am going to say an upper intercooler pipe that will shorten the plumbing (ours is mandrel bent ss and is around a foot shorter and has 6 less bends than stock) and a FMIC. You could also do just an intercooler pipe upgrade and add a set of cams. The HKS cams are bringing HP up around 30 hp.
As for installs in the Virginia area, I have no idea. Sorry.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
David - since I already have the I/C hardpiped, a new I/C and cams would bump me about 50-60? That would be perfect. Also, do you have any experience with the Toda 2.3L kit? I know they make great stuff, but I am wondering how well it works with the 4G63. Thanks again.
Chris
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david,
i just wanted to say that you are first class. your customer service and products are unmatched. i am totally impressed with everything you do and you can be sure i am coming to you for ALL my mods when i get my evo. so impressed am i that i will be driving from pennsylvania just to meet and check out your shop while getting my parts installed. keep up the awesome work
cary
i just wanted to say that you are first class. your customer service and products are unmatched. i am totally impressed with everything you do and you can be sure i am coming to you for ALL my mods when i get my evo. so impressed am i that i will be driving from pennsylvania just to meet and check out your shop while getting my parts installed. keep up the awesome work
cary
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vishnu and buschur..
Just putting in my 2 cents here, I think both companies have great products, but i'm sure some people out there like me don't want to cut and splice into the factory harness to install the burchur tuned afc, just incase you have to take it in for service, I know some people will say they have to prove the mod caused the problem, but I don't want that hassle, with the xede you just unplug it, I know it's a little pricey but worth it to me just for that reason, anyway, just my opinio..thanks, Jack...