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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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WRONG.

They run regular slicks like everybody else, they are just better drivers.

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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Don't say "WRONG" like it's some big deal. I asked a question as you can see. It was not a statement. What cars do they use the motorcycle slicks on? Kinda hard to cut a 1.37 60' on regular slicks with that sort of power regardless of driver skill.
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Hard for us, not hard for them, Roly cuts those sort of 60's 1.3-1.5 range all day long in anything he drives.

It is a big deal because lots of people have been talking ish about what they have been doing in PR and attributing it to the tracks or the tires, neither is the case.

They use motorcycle slicks on motorcycles Warrtalon, I figured you would be able to grasp that.

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Looked like a statement within a question to me.
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No, he usually only does the 1.3s with the motorcycle slicks. He only recently got a 1.3 with the Green. Hard for anyone even Roly.

People aren't talking "ish." They DO use motorcycle slicks and that usually is what gives the Hot Rod-level 60's. If he is now able to do it WITHOUT those, then he has improved.

Are you serious that you didn't know they were using motorcycle slicks on the Evos???
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It's me thinking they use motorcycle slicks, which they have done, but not knowing for sure if they were used on the most recent runs, so I ASKED to make sure. The answer is "no" if they didn't, not "WRONG."

out of common curiosity why don't you guys take this to PM's or another thread??
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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Because it's relevant to the topic. Do you not think my question was relevant to the competition between Greens and Tony's attempt at driving as well as Roly? I believe it is, and if there is a drastic difference in wheel/tire combo, then it could make all the difference in the world.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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So you get a response to one of your posts that is in the same vein of your responses to others sometimes and now the whole Warrworld falls apart?
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Because it's relevant to the topic. Do you not think my question was relevant to the competition between Greens and Tony's attempt at driving as well as Roly? I believe it is, and if there is a drastic difference in wheel/tire combo, then it could make all the difference in the world.
yes the question of a different tire being used is a good question, but then arguing about what, if, and when motorcycle tires are being used in PR is ridiculous.
There are probably many factors why Roly runs such great 60ft times, skill, tire, weight of the car, track prep etc etc.
Either way, going back and forth about this on 9sec9 and OKIX's thread is stupid and the questions and comments about the PR runs are purely speculative unless you are there and comment directly.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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So you get a response to one of your posts that is in the same vein of your responses to others sometimes and now the whole Warrworld falls apart?
not to add to this crap, but that made me
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
So you get a response to one of your posts that is in the same vein of your responses to others sometimes and now the whole Warrworld falls apart?
Not from what I saw, no. Nothing fell apart. It appears Scorke is not aware they often use motorcycle slicks down in PR.

1slowevo, I'm not arguing about it. Why do I have to be there to comment on it? If that were the case, then we could all say anything we want and follow it with, "you weren't there, so mind your own business." That makes no sense.

The only thing "stupid" about me asking that harmless question was the ensuing 10 posts by you 3 that have not helped at all. Most of the other great times listed in the Drag forum from PR in the last 3-4 months have been with unheard-of 60's that were a result of the new wheel/tire combo that they have developed and mastered. They are to be commended and recognized for such a development, but then it would stand to reason that Tony would have no hope of matching Roly without an equivalent setup. Of course, even with the same setup, there is no guarantee he can match Roly, but the playing field would at least be more level. If for some reason they have suddenly decided NOT to use this same wheel/tire combo like on all the others, then fine, but one of the side effects of using such tires is the loss of trap speed relative to the ET. 10.07 @ 132 indicates this.

If no one cares, then fine. I felt it was tantamount to the entire discussion.

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
No, he usually only does the 1.3s with the motorcycle slicks. He only recently got a 1.3 with the Green. Hard for anyone even Roly.

People aren't talking "ish." They DO use motorcycle slicks and that usually is what gives the Hot Rod-level 60's. If he is now able to do it WITHOUT those, then he has improved.
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Anibal BBQ EVO strikes again

First pass
10.11 @ 131.9
1.392 60ft
6.42 1/8 mile

Second pass
10.14 @ 131.8
1.42 60ft
6.45 1/8

Third Pass
10.07 @ 132.3
1.38 60ft
6.39 1/8

Many thanks to Forced Performance, Anibal BBQ, AGM, Sporty Dyno, Colo Performance (Mec), Javier Monroig (Tuner), FIFA Racing Motorsports and BAF Fabrications and Roly driving.


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WRONG.

He has run mult 1.3-1.4 60's on REAL MT's made for CARS.

That car with the white is one of the few, if any passes he has made in a car equipped with motorcycle tires.

Again Warr I agree its not easy but Roly/that whole gang is running faster with less turbo then anyone on this landmass and they only seem to get quicker.

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 05:08 PM
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Ok, great. I hadn't seen such results before this, and I've been keeping up with every thread. These are the first 1.3s I've seen, and they are high 1.3s. Remember, I am only saying 1.3 - you keep adding 1.4 and 1.5 to the criteria. Before this, I had not seen any without the motorcycle slicks, and in fact, most people didn't even know that's what were being used...not even the others that were watching. They also don't give that type of info when posting times - they just post the time and mph, then we start asking all the questions.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
The only thing "stupid" about me asking that harmless question was the ensuing 10 posts by you 3 that have not helped at all. Most of the other great times listed in the Drag forum from PR in the last 3-4 months have been with unheard-of 60's that were a result of the new wheel/tire combo that they have developed and mastered. They are to be commended and recognized for such a development, but then it would stand to reason that Tony would have no hope of matching Roly without an equivalent setup. Of course, even with the same setup, there is no guarantee he can match Roly, but the playing field would at least be more level. If for some reason they have suddenly decided NOT to use this same wheel/tire combo like on all the others, then fine, but one of the side effects of using such tires is the loss of trap speed relative to the ET. 10.07 @ 132 indicates this..
Agreed, but this is racing, there is no set of rules for any of these cars we are talking about so there is nothing that is giving either of these cars an "unfair" advantage, just a bunch of guys making small turbos pushing awd cars to the limits of what they are capable of.

Again I understand what your saying but IMHO if your drag racing a car I don't care if its done on snowmobile tracks or Pirelli P-Zeros, your ET is your ET, a faster one is better

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Ok, great. I hadn't seen such results before this, and I've been keeping up with every thread. These are the first 1.3s I've seen, and they are high 1.3s. Remember, I am only saying 1.3 - you keep adding 1.4 and 1.5 to the criteria. Before this, I had not seen any without the motorcycle slicks, and in fact, most people didn't even know that's what were being used...not even the others that were watching. They also don't give that type of info when posting times - they just post the time and mph, then we start asking all the questions.
I hear you Warr, sorry if i came off rough with the motorcycles use motorcycle tires, only one of their cars has set times with them AFAIK and have been told, it makes sense though for these green cars to not run slicks as big as the wheels/tires the BR and AMS drag car run because they don't need the grip.

I was unaware of using motorcycle tires but it makes sense, less weight= more power to the ground, if they can hold the weight more power to them, I wouldnt drive one of those on the street though

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
WRONG.

They run regular slicks like everybody else, they are just better drivers.

Scorke

actually you are WRONG!! I have been in contact with Oscar aka Raceman and the guys in PR all month and they do run MOTORCYCLE SLICKS.. so before you answer like you know whats going maybe figure out the facts,,
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by scorke
Hard for us, not hard for them, Roly cuts those sort of 60's 1.3-1.5 range all day long in anything he drives.

It is a big deal because lots of people have been talking ish about what they have been doing in PR and attributing it to the tracks or the tires, neither is the case.

They use motorcycle slicks on motorcycles Warrtalon, I figured you would be able to grasp that.

Scorke
Actually they use motorcycle slicks on every car that has run a recent record.. According to my 1st hand knowledge all the cars cutting the 1.3's are running motorcycle slicks.. I have been told 1st hand from the guys in PR and Oscar.. Along with the suspension and psi they are running in the tires which is not my business to share.,., so yes they use motorcycle slicks on CARS know it all..
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 06:45 PM
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Something else to add, the tire/wheel combo is not the reason for the slow "mph" as was said. It is the reason for the stellar ET's that simply make the MPH look slow. There are multiple reasons for a car to ET like mad with no MPH to go with it.

Would you guys mind getting back to Tom and Tony's topic?
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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Something else to add, the tire/wheel combo is not the reason for the slow "mph" as was said. It is the reason for the stellar ET's that simply make the MPH look slow. There are multiple reasons for a car to ET like mad with no MPH to go with it.

Would you guys mind getting back to Tom and Tony's topic?
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Old Jul 21, 2008 | 06:50 AM
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Get back on topic guys... and no, all the "I'm smarter than you are" does not apply here when it detracts from the original topic. So, I'll warn against ANY final words on the OT as they can be expressed to each other in PMs!!!
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