FPwhite + Evo 9 + 91oct
Ok, for the third time, I did do other tuning, without much difference.
Now, imagine if I posted results showing different boost, different timing, different everything, and the results where the same? Imagine the chaos of 100 people saying the testing wasn't the same or legit since the tunes where different.
I posted what I felt was as much a direct comparison between two stock frame turbos as possible. The only differences where the turbos and the weather. Two things. Instead of 5 things, or 10 things.
If you think I just drove the car on the dyno, ran the same exact tune as the car had with the Evo 9 turbo and everything magically fell inline to be the same then you are mistaken or just don't really know what goes on in a dyno room.
I actually set aside time to see what this turbo could do on our dyno. I was curious like everyone else. These are the results of that time. That is it. I just posted it for the other curious. I have no motive to do this, at no time have I even really voiced an opinion on it. I've been answering questions and replying with more info.
If anyone wants to do their own tests, they are free to do so, just like the customer and I where free to do so.
Now, imagine if I posted results showing different boost, different timing, different everything, and the results where the same? Imagine the chaos of 100 people saying the testing wasn't the same or legit since the tunes where different.
I posted what I felt was as much a direct comparison between two stock frame turbos as possible. The only differences where the turbos and the weather. Two things. Instead of 5 things, or 10 things.
If you think I just drove the car on the dyno, ran the same exact tune as the car had with the Evo 9 turbo and everything magically fell inline to be the same then you are mistaken or just don't really know what goes on in a dyno room.
I actually set aside time to see what this turbo could do on our dyno. I was curious like everyone else. These are the results of that time. That is it. I just posted it for the other curious. I have no motive to do this, at no time have I even really voiced an opinion on it. I've been answering questions and replying with more info.
If anyone wants to do their own tests, they are free to do so, just like the customer and I where free to do so.
for 91 octane users, the oem ix turbo kicks butt...not sure why on 100 octne it too didnt perform better.
great compare!
i feel sorry for the guy who bought the fp-wht.
was it a hotter day? lighter air pressure?, more humidity? corrections factor work to a %, thats why there are so many...sae 1585, ewg, etc......
typical corr. factors are for normally aspirated engines.
great compare!
i feel sorry for the guy who bought the fp-wht.
was it a hotter day? lighter air pressure?, more humidity? corrections factor work to a %, thats why there are so many...sae 1585, ewg, etc......
typical corr. factors are for normally aspirated engines.
Everyone needs to take a step back and breathe for a second. Nowhere in this whole thread did Bryan say that this was the end all be all of the FPwhite. He said he wanted to see more cars roll in with it to see what they will do.
That's the thing about testing like this....everyone wants whatever data they can get their hands on first, yet they want to have a plethora of data to average against. It takes TIME to collect all of this data. Bryan doesn't have 10 evos sitting around to slap the turbo on to.
Here is the thing, there is not enough data to come to any conclusion YET. So just take the data and info in this thread as food for thought in the meantime. It is one set of data and there will be more... Everyone needs to stop freaking out.
That's the thing about testing like this....everyone wants whatever data they can get their hands on first, yet they want to have a plethora of data to average against. It takes TIME to collect all of this data. Bryan doesn't have 10 evos sitting around to slap the turbo on to.
Here is the thing, there is not enough data to come to any conclusion YET. So just take the data and info in this thread as food for thought in the meantime. It is one set of data and there will be more... Everyone needs to stop freaking out.
i got little worried after reading this post and put my evo 6 on the dyno i just put the white on it on monday did street tune right of the bat it used 4% more fuel im runing autronic stock motor with stock 560cc and set of comp272 cams and your regular bolt ons previous turbo was an 05 mr and switching to this comes alive faster as well as holds steady boost 25psi to the redline, vent to the dyno first solid pass at 27 psi made 405hp and 374 tq on 110 octane this is sae corrected next pass was at 29 psi and pushed 412hp and 379 tq injector duty came up to 97% on that pass intake charge temp between 60-65 celcius not terribly dissapointed next week i will take it again but this time im going to get that boost up to 35-37psi will see what difference will that make dyno room temp was at 94f and humidity at 31%
To add to this, if you have any other dyno results from the 05 turbo, that would be helpful as well. I'm sure this turbo would be a descent step up from the 8 turbos just as the 9 turbos are. As for this turbo holding 25 psi to redline, I would guess WGDC is completely maxxed out with a pretty strong wastegate actuator considering mine only held about 1 more psi to redline.
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Everyone needs to take a step back and breathe for a second. Nowhere in this whole thread did Bryan say that this was the end all be all of the FPwhite. He said he wanted to see more cars roll in with it to see what they will do.
That's the thing about testing like this....everyone wants whatever data they can get their hands on first, yet they want to have a plethora of data to average against. It takes TIME to collect all of this data. Bryan doesn't have 10 evos sitting around to slap the turbo on to.
Here is the thing, there is not enough data to come to any conclusion YET. So just take the data and info in this thread as food for thought in the meantime. It is one set of data and there will be more... Everyone needs to stop freaking out.
That's the thing about testing like this....everyone wants whatever data they can get their hands on first, yet they want to have a plethora of data to average against. It takes TIME to collect all of this data. Bryan doesn't have 10 evos sitting around to slap the turbo on to.
Here is the thing, there is not enough data to come to any conclusion YET. So just take the data and info in this thread as food for thought in the meantime. It is one set of data and there will be more... Everyone needs to stop freaking out.
... only time can telll soo hold your horses geez
I'm curious, why would you sell an IX turbo for probably $400 and then turn around and spend an additional $1000 to buy a new white? You could have just upgraded your IX for $600.
I agree, this is just one car and one test, and the A-B was done at different temps which has been stated many times already. Bryan, how much difference do you think a 10-15 degree CIT temp difference would make in your setting (ballpark)? In fact I wouldnt mind seeing those plots with temp correction, I feel the losses shown on the dyno are most likely directly related to weather conditions during testing and when you add them back in it makes the picture clearer.
The estimated corrected numbers are directly above your post.
Corrected, the curves would sit almost directly on top of each other until around 6000-6500 RPM where the white would then start to pick up gains.
Corrected, the curves would sit almost directly on top of each other until around 6000-6500 RPM where the white would then start to pick up gains.
Now if you could do that for intake thread info from the stock manifold in Feb to the last 2 manifolds I would feel better. Back on track well done, Jim 
P.S. just think if that thing had one of David's race intercoolers 
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P.S. just think if that thing had one of David's race intercoolers .
Last edited by Indy Evo; Jul 12, 2008 at 12:53 PM.
03whitegsr, we were thinking the same thing at the same time. Thanks for putting out some SAE corrected numbers.
Also it's not that ambient temp is not a real factor to be considered when tuning. it's just that when your actually tuning a car with SAE correction on, it can make tuning more difficult. I find it easier to get repeatable results with it off. I would just prefer to see raw data as I'm looking for realtime changes. SAE correction estimates, are really only good for making broad comparisons, when your looking at real time data it gets in the way. But that's just my opinion. I think it's important to interpret results with ambient temperatures in mind and that's how I do it.
Also it's not that ambient temp is not a real factor to be considered when tuning. it's just that when your actually tuning a car with SAE correction on, it can make tuning more difficult. I find it easier to get repeatable results with it off. I would just prefer to see raw data as I'm looking for realtime changes. SAE correction estimates, are really only good for making broad comparisons, when your looking at real time data it gets in the way. But that's just my opinion. I think it's important to interpret results with ambient temperatures in mind and that's how I do it.