Bryan, I don't think anyone is discounting your ablities. There just seems to be a rather obvious disconnect between what the data shows and what the dyno shows. You and your customer are, I assume, the only people on this forum who actually have all the info from this test to answer why there is a difference in power output at the same air flow. Would you care to offer your opinion on the matter?

I personally couldn't care less if the White is hype or not. I don't plan to ever buy one, and I have absolutely nothing to gain from it being successful. I'm just a engineering geek looking at what appears to be in my eyes conflicting information.

 

very good point

 

a customer of mine just placed an order for the Red the other day...we'll be sure to share our results.

 

Great job and I thank you for posting the results!

I think everyone needs to take the results for what they are and stop giving the OP a hard time - he's a well respected tuner and has nothing to gain or lose by posting...

 

Maybe I'm missing something here...but I don't read where anyone is giving him a hard time. The results posted were not up to many peoples (mine included) expectations. It is only a natural reaction to ask questions and to want clarification to help identify why this is the case. I think it is equally interesting that so many are willing to throw this turbo out and say "I told you so" after one result... Until there are more data points....I would reserve judgement.

 

this is so typical of EVOm posters... ONE test and the whole thing is a "flop"

I think the data is encouraging for one and I look forward to more test results before I spend my hard earned bucks.

 

Now that many members mentioned it, the real question is:

why is the fp white producing less power with more airflow??
on 91 octane, the fp white flew more air all the way from 2500 up until 7200, why didn't it make more power under 5500 rpm??

Moreover, why did the test stopped at 7200?? the stock rev limitter is at 7600, and most people will take it up to 8000!

area under the curve is what matters most. Accordingly, taking the test to 8000 rpm would show a considerable advantage for the white over the stock 9 turbo, bcs when you go flat out you remain within 6300-8000 rpm. Airflow is there to prove the white can be as good as the 9 turbo at low/mid range.


rgds

 

all very good questions.


hope no one sees this stuff as attacks. as consumers we just want to know all the information we can get.

 

Utlizing the same tuning parameters for two turbo's with differing cfm potentials makes no sense to me.

I will wait for other results before comming to a conclusion.

 

So, maybe instead of hailing the white as a good upgrade for those who dont want to drag race.. you could say.. its a 10hp/$1300 if you're above 7k on boltons upgrade?

You say the turbo is in the marginal improvement area.. looks like its in the marginal sidegrade/downgrade area in the sub 7k range to me.

And why blaming the 91, test on 100 wasnt any better.. same power loss as before, just madea hair more at 6500 instead of 7k+.

So who exactly is this turbo aimed at? If its not going to make power for joe blow bolton.. why would mr full tilt buy it either? If im dropping the big $$ on built motor, badass hardware.. why run a $1300 sidegrade turbo?

Kinda curious where your intention is with the turbo.. either its for joe blow bolt on, who apparently finds it a downgrade, or its for mr full tilt who'd probobly run a 10 on the stock turbo anyway with the hardware youd have to have, to see an upgrade with this thing.


And why the hate for people having negative opinions? "So typical of the evom crowd" ... really? I think its more like "so typical of potential customers who were lead to believe X by one shop with a vested interested in selling them, and then dissappointment when tested by unbiased shop Y"

Can say all the "thats typical" that you want.. I'm just a guy who wants an affordable bolt up solution that will make some more power, without building my engine, without running on VP Import all day. Stock turbos a limiting factor. I could throw down the $3500 for a real kit and make more power.. but Im one of many who are uncomfortable with that price and desire a bolton thats affordable, and provides a meaningfull gain.

Sorry, I see no meaningfull gain here, i see $1300 thats better off spent on a real kit, and an end result of still no product that suits my needs.

 

@Phalse: if you see the logs, the white is flowing more air than the stock 9 between 2500 and 5500. Does it make sense to you that it's making less power??

between 5500 and 7000 it's making 10bhp more, had this test been taken all the way to 8000 rpm you would have seen considerable bigger difference.

 

The results are basically what I expected for the most part. The hype the white got to begin with was a little much. Look at it this way, 9sec9's car is built fully, rand the White on the edge on Q16. It made around 430whp on the BR dyno. Daniel Buschurs beater car, stock 9 turbo, stock head, higher miles, stock intake mani, etc. (basic bolton car) did 375whp on PUMP 93 at 27-28 psi, and prbly a more conservative tune. Pretty clear to me, if 9sec9 had a stock 9 turbo on his car the way it sets and is tuned now, I bet the numbers would be a new "stock 9 turbo record" for the BR dyno, and not far from the white numbers.

SQ

 

I'm not making any conclusions yet. In fact I still want to see what this turbo will make on ethanol, should be better then 100oct.

But please, everyone keep being disapointed and cancel your orders and forget about this turbo.....that'll make it easier for me to get one lmao

 

Because there is only one data point..and all of a sudden many are all too willing to say "I told you so" Can you say "jumping to conclusions"? Will this be a flop? ... Possibly.... but to write it off after one case seems a bit silly

 

wasent the white rabbit showing more air flow and less power? All you people saying the difference is in the air temps are full of ****, they were 3 degrees more do you really thing that turbo is going to make up all that power band and then some from 3 degrees? Props to Bryan(even though he knows he would be cooler if his name had a I) for doing a real world test and of course getting attacked by rabit evom posters because the turbo failed to meet their expectations.