You wouldnt belive how many people find a shoprag in their intercooler, I ask people to check for that all the time.

People also leave the red caplug in the oil drain flange of the turbo when they install it. People install a TiAl Wastegate without the valve seat. People do all sorts of weird things to be honest. When I ask you a question like that, I'm not trying to tell you that you are stupid, I am trying to get you to think about something that you havent thought about yet, something that could help solve whatever problem has caused you to call. It is unusual to have problems with Garrett T04E bb chra, which is what was found in your FP3150 turbocharger, but I do remember something weird happening to one of those (small run of these about 20 total) and us really trying to be as fast as possible about fixing it once we knew what happened, I am going to look you up tomorrow to follow up. Sorry we left such a bad impression on you.

Robert Young

 

Interesting results. The outcome wasn't quite what I was expecting.

 

Me either....concerned because I ordered one.

 

Not at all. Maybe the white was actually some kind of viral marketing for the red.

 

Well after reading all of these new posts, how does the owner of the Evo who was tuned on the White feel about his car now? How does it drive after his recent tune? I would like to hear his feedback.

 

Agreed....But before I get really bummed... Would love to see results from one or two more similarly modded cars

 

I like seeing "built" or "shop" cars dyno new products for one reason. MAXIMUM performance. I take those test for what they are. HOWEVER, when a new product is released I like seeing them on cars that not only resemble my car but your typical evo that you will see on the street. Face it most evo owners stop at full-bolt on. Most people run pump even though meth is popular and E85 is starting to become more available. I feel that those dyno numbers are accurate. I dont think its fair that some people are knockn razorlab as a tuner. Thats ridiculous. Apparently he has tuned many cars in his area. He provided us with a lots of info. His dyno sheet should be given the same amount of TRUST and RESPECT as the other where the turbo excelled.

FP is a great company and I PLAN to purchase the RED soon. My car will be your typical full bolt on evo. TBE, MBC, ETS 3.5" FMIC, UICP with evo 9 bov, Recirculation pipe, LICP, Intake, ported stock or megan manifold, megan o2 housing, GSC S2's, Springs and retainers, 255lph fuel pump, big injectors, Exedy Clutch, stock maf, and stock ECU and stock bottom end. Eventually i will add the ported intake manifold, 65mm throttle body, tial bov, and AEM EMS. Then im done. Im doing that knowing that I will make good numbers but i will be no where near the numbers of the test car.

 

Maybe i missed it but how did the owner of the car say how it feels now?

 

I've responded to shaft speed earlier in this thread. The pulls where done until 7200 and are shown on both charts. Each HP curve shows a down turn at a point before the dyno pull is completed. If "real world" performance is somewhere betwen 7200 and above then so be it.

Much like you did on the phone with our customer, quick to discount the tuner, I have already stated that the ignition timing and AFR are as close to the same as possible, I had to run 1* less up top because of the added flow.

Mivec was also as close as possible between the two, with slightly less mivec to account for the added flow up top. Noticing a trend here yet?

I posted these charts to show everything almost as close to the same as a true A to B comparison. Now, I wouldn't be a very good tuner if I didn't explore other "long lists" as well would I? I did, and I didn't post the results because it didn't make much difference.

That it does according to the logs, on 91 it does flow more 6800 or so on and it does indeed make approx 12whp more from 6800 on and approx 6whp on 100 6800 rpm on.

 

I am experiencing White Rabbit de ja vu. I appreciate the test as I am considering this turbo w/m2 cams and the ability to go into higher rpms.

I would like to see TTP do one. They tend to really push the stocker using meth and high rpms. Based on what is advertised, that is where the White should shine. At this point, I can't discount the turbo until we see more results.

 

I think the results are about right for 91 Octane...

I'm sure with 25-28psi and 100oct this turbo should start to outshine the stock IX Turbo.

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Read the original post. The white was run with 100 octane at 26.9 psi.

 

1st: I think the white will still outperform the 9 turbo. the key thing here is not to compare the turbos at the same boost, but to compare them at their maximum potential, or at maximum efficiency! take an hta35 and evo 9 turbo at 15 psi, there won't be much difference, this is an extreme example but just to give an idea...


2nd: when the community here asked the fp white "testers" to do a test for this turbo on a street car / pump gas, the answer was: "if you're not happy, go do it yourself".
now that some1 has done it himself, they begin to question how good a tuner he is!


rgds+

 

oops my bad!

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I think this a very important point that most people miss the limitation of all OEM Stock frame Turbos is the Hotside...

What is the 10.5cfm Mitsu Hot side equivalent to in Garrett terms??? T3 .48 or smaller would be the most likely answer...

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