FPwhite + Evo 9 + 91oct
Does anyone else find that amusing?
As I was once told by FP after having a problem.. because it couldnt possibly be their product, oh no, it HAD to be me
"did you check your downpipe for a shoprag? Anything that could possibly be blocking the exhaust flow"
While not word per word, as I dont have the direct quote, and while I'm not sure who said it.. yes, fp blamed the lacking performance of their product on a possible shop rag stuffed in my downpipe. This was a FP bolt up 50 trim for the DSM, somewhere around 02/03, and was spooling late 5k due to what FP later admitted to an improperly assembled turbo.
Still damned amusing.
As I was once told by FP after having a problem.. because it couldnt possibly be their product, oh no, it HAD to be me
"did you check your downpipe for a shoprag? Anything that could possibly be blocking the exhaust flow"
While not word per word, as I dont have the direct quote, and while I'm not sure who said it.. yes, fp blamed the lacking performance of their product on a possible shop rag stuffed in my downpipe. This was a FP bolt up 50 trim for the DSM, somewhere around 02/03, and was spooling late 5k due to what FP later admitted to an improperly assembled turbo.
Still damned amusing.
Doesn't it flow a few more lb/min of air from 6krpm on out to redline? Isn't that what the turbo was supposed to deliver? To me looking at that data, the White model turbo outflows the EVO9 from 6krpm and above without giving up any spool up on the bottom end.
Why the car isnt making any extra power with the extra airflow is a good question. I think everyone glossed right past the data again.
BOOST ON!
Robert Young
Why the car isnt making any extra power with the extra airflow is a good question. I think everyone glossed right past the data again.
BOOST ON!
Robert Young
BOOST ON!
You could save some bucks by purchasing a used 9 turbo for lets say 400, and send it in for 600$ so you're still saving 300$ and you've got no down time, then sell your stocker once the white is on for 400$ and your back to the 600$ 
or less if you get more for your stocker. I have a ix turbo arriving tuesday, iim still confident this turbo has god results in it, just gotta play around with it, plus it'll give people some bolt on + e85 numbers
or less if you get more for your stocker. I have a ix turbo arriving tuesday, iim still confident this turbo has god results in it, just gotta play around with it, plus it'll give people some bolt on + e85 numbers
BGevoIX,
Sorry that you had to be the test mule. On behalf of the rest of us cheap bastards, may i say thank you sir, for throwing yourself on the grenade and saving us!
Any plans to put the IX stocker back on ?
Sorry that you had to be the test mule. On behalf of the rest of us cheap bastards, may i say thank you sir, for throwing yourself on the grenade and saving us!
Any plans to put the IX stocker back on ?
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The FPwhite does show more power up top on 91, why it doesn't show it down low I'm not really sure and I was wondering the same thing while on the dyno. It was warmer that day by about 12-15F intake temps over the span of the pulls, which I mentioned earlier in this thread.
Moreover, why did the test stopped at 7200?? the stock rev limitter is at 7600, and most people will take it up to 8000!
area under the curve is what matters most. Accordingly, taking the test to 8000 rpm would show a considerable advantage for the white over the stock 9 turbo, bcs when you go flat out you remain within 6300-8000 rpm. Airflow is there to prove the white can be as good as the 9 turbo at low/mid range.
area under the curve is what matters most. Accordingly, taking the test to 8000 rpm would show a considerable advantage for the white over the stock 9 turbo, bcs when you go flat out you remain within 6300-8000 rpm. Airflow is there to prove the white can be as good as the 9 turbo at low/mid range.
On 91 octane, the boost levels and timing are already close to max, especially on a customers car.
Now I am starting to understand why Buschur gets so flusterd in threads like this. The general questions are fine but some of these posts are just amazing. The car has bad compression and a bent valve now? Someone that looks at motec datalogs all day doesn't understand when I say a 12-15F spread? Why wasn't a stock frame turbo revved out an extra 400rpm? Good lord.
Last edited by razorlab; Jul 11, 2008 at 12:59 PM.
Now that many members mentioned it, the real question is:
why is the fp white producing less power with more airflow??
on 91 octane, the fp white flew more air all the way from 2500 up until 7200, why didn't it make more power under 5500 rpm??
Moreover, why did the test stopped at 7200?? the stock rev limitter is at 7600, and most people will take it up to 8000!
area under the curve is what matters most. Accordingly, taking the test to 8000 rpm would show a considerable advantage for the white over the stock 9 turbo, bcs when you go flat out you remain within 6300-8000 rpm. Airflow is there to prove the white can be as good as the 9 turbo at low/mid range.
rgds
why is the fp white producing less power with more airflow??
on 91 octane, the fp white flew more air all the way from 2500 up until 7200, why didn't it make more power under 5500 rpm??
Moreover, why did the test stopped at 7200?? the stock rev limitter is at 7600, and most people will take it up to 8000!
area under the curve is what matters most. Accordingly, taking the test to 8000 rpm would show a considerable advantage for the white over the stock 9 turbo, bcs when you go flat out you remain within 6300-8000 rpm. Airflow is there to prove the white can be as good as the 9 turbo at low/mid range.
rgds
I'll take a stab as to what it could be. Just because you customize a OEM turbo to flow more air than a IX turbo doesnt necessarily mean it is doing so efficiently.. right? The white could just be blowing hotter air, and then your airflow would not equal HP.
* edit removed reference to VIII, I didnt realize the white is based on a IX frame, the previous rumor was that it was a VIII frame.
Also, is there the possiblity that this particular turbo has a problem? It sounds like Byran and his customer contacted FP, What did FP suggest?
And of course that the car developed a problem between tests or has a boost leak.
Last edited by Mr. Evo IX; Jul 11, 2008 at 02:11 PM.
Agreed. The thing thats hard to digest is spending almost $1400 of HARD EARNED money and losing midrange and picking up 10 or so at 7k. If I had money to throw away, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I don't.
Throttle response, lag time (or lack of) and the way the car feels when stretched out to 7200 or so feels no different than the 9 turbo. With the current results of the car, I honestly feel that I paid $1400 to have a cool little plate on my turbo that says EvoWhite.
If I hadn't sold it to fund this turbo, YES...it would already be back on. As you can see, I do have a thread with the EvoWhite turbo for sale if anyone is interested...LOL
Now I am starting to understand why Buschur gets so flusterd in threads like this. The general questions are fine but some of these posts are just amazing. The car has bad compression and a bent valve now? Someone that looks at motec datalogs all day doesn't understand when I say a 12-15F spread? Why wasn't a stock frame turbo revved out an extra 400rpm? Good lord.
BOOST ON!
So the compressor is rated higher, big deal.
The turbine is all the same old IX wheel, as far as i understand, so to get more flow out of the HTA68 wheel, you need to push that turbine farther and while you may be doing that, you're increasing the backpressure and definitely temps.
So maybe you can flow a tad more, but it comes at the expense of higher backpressure and higher temps. The car already has an good core IC, so you can't really improve either of those. So there's no more power.
I think this was somewhat to be expected, considering FP just reused the wheels originally destined for HTA Green, basically gambling that it would work mated with a IX turbine. Instead of just throwing them away. Well it didnt work..
I just hope a RED isnt a fiasco like this. Obviously that group of boys touting each other's achievements in their sigs wouldn't tell you that..
So Bryan, thanks for posting up the info!!
The turbine is all the same old IX wheel, as far as i understand, so to get more flow out of the HTA68 wheel, you need to push that turbine farther and while you may be doing that, you're increasing the backpressure and definitely temps.
So maybe you can flow a tad more, but it comes at the expense of higher backpressure and higher temps. The car already has an good core IC, so you can't really improve either of those. So there's no more power.
I think this was somewhat to be expected, considering FP just reused the wheels originally destined for HTA Green, basically gambling that it would work mated with a IX turbine. Instead of just throwing them away. Well it didnt work..
I just hope a RED isnt a fiasco like this. Obviously that group of boys touting each other's achievements in their sigs wouldn't tell you that..
So Bryan, thanks for posting up the info!!
Yea that's a good question.
I'll take a stab as to what it could be. Just because you customize a VIII turbo to flow more air than a IX turbo doesnt necessarily mean it is doing so efficiently.. right? The white could just be blowing hotter air, and then your airflow would not equal HP.
Also, is there the possiblity that this particular turbo has a problem? It sounds like Byran and his customer contacted FP, What did FP suggest?
And of course that the car developed a problem between tests or has a boost leak.
I'll take a stab as to what it could be. Just because you customize a VIII turbo to flow more air than a IX turbo doesnt necessarily mean it is doing so efficiently.. right? The white could just be blowing hotter air, and then your airflow would not equal HP.
Also, is there the possiblity that this particular turbo has a problem? It sounds like Byran and his customer contacted FP, What did FP suggest?
And of course that the car developed a problem between tests or has a boost leak.