No problem. I have nothing to lose or gain by sharing this kind of data. I try to post tech with as much an unbiased side as possible.

When possible, I try do same day changes between parts, however, with customer cars, it's a bit harder to do this unless it's a easy bolt on like an exhaust or intake. The good thing about this however is this is how most end-users will compare data as well as most end-users neither have the time or want to spend the money to rent a dyno for a baseline same day get the parts swapped, and pay for a retune. It's also hard to book such a large time slot in a busy shop with little notice.

 

I'm keeping my White, you never know what you might find with the right combination.

 

maybe you should take up a collection to get a red since you're willing to provide such unbiased real world examples. hell id chip in $20 to avoid pissing $1800 away, I almost spent the $1300 on this one.

 

woo hoo fp white is crap. now left fp green and fp red on a stock build evo with basic bolt ons back to back please !

 

LOL exactly what I was thinking phalse!

 

Check post #16. It is coming.

I'm really interested in the red as well as in theory it's the perfect turbo for me and most of the other California residents as it's 100% stealth and in theory can make big horsepower. The current stealth king here in California is the FPgreen. I recommend it to most of our street customers and we even have a few NASA Time Trials drivers using Greens to set records.

I love the FPgreen, if the FPred is even better, sign me up. We'll see soon I hope.

 

Why not do a baseline pull RIGHT before the swap. Until that happens anything is mere speculation. Who knows if anything else has changed. BTW don't take that wrong, I think it's great you did the test. I also think you realize there are many other variables. Other seem not to though, and take this stuff as gospel.

 

Seans car is an ideal real world test for the red a well, stock ecu,stock block,stock head, cosi cams, everything other bolt on with a 91 tune and 100 tune. Daily driven TTS car

I am excited to see how the red works out

 

See post #31

Also, I've had a bunch of Evos that I have tuned on 91 oct come back months later or even up to a year later to get a tune on 100 oct. I've done baselines on 91 before putting 100 oct in to make sure the car is still running well. Most of them do within +/- 5 of what they did before.

Here is a good example of this. This customer came in for a retune on 110 octane. He was tuned on 100 octane 9 months before. The only difference on this new baseline is that he installed a tubular exhaust manifold, which shows up as a little more lag on the baseline done 9 months later. This car had done numerous track days and autocrosses in those 9 months. The car was really beat on this whole time:



As you can see, 9 months later and other than the lag introduced by the tubular manifold the tune is still pretty much spot on and the car is running just the same as 9 months prior.

 

it takes time and money to strap a car to the dyno and take a few pulls. You can't just take one pull, because they are usually not identical.

Then unstap the car, put it on a lift and change out the turbo.

Then put back on dyno. and Tune.

 

And it takes one thread to kill all the hard work and effort involved in building a component.

 

great review!! I'm interested in the Red as well. I never thought having the green was worth it. It obviously performs flawlessly but not quite the power I was looking for. We'll have to see with the red.

 

or you could just run a ix turbo on an 8 hee he

cb

 

Razor is not killing anybodies hard work. He tuned a car with the WHITE and is posting results.

The same thing will hapeen with your manifolds. Once more go out, there will be before and after dyno charts. If they are worth the money and produce, you will be happy and more people will purchase. If not, then who knows .

This is America my friend. This is how **** works.

 

Very interesting data, you have supplied more than needed.

The turbo on Tom's car made good/great power for what it is. It is a full blown effort of parts and such though. With 438 whp (I think that's what it made) on our dyno it is more than capable of 10's at 130'ish mph.

I can't remember the most we've ever made on a car with the stock EVO9 turbo. My brothers car on 93 octane only made 374 whp.

Thanks for providing the information.