ams Moustache Bar Eliminator
There's no hidden agenda. I've made my position very clear. Parts need to be made to be suitable for their intended use and safe for the person who uses it. Making sure that has been done is the job of the manufacturer who sells it, not the customer. Customers are not experiments or "development".
I don't own the part exactly because of the defect shown in this thread. There are places to save weight, and places to make sure you have more than adequate strength. If the only people that could comment on a part were those who owned it, this site would have about 30 pages, total.
That's where you're wrong. Almost every part that is sold for Evos has major testing behind it. Injectors, pistons, rods, cams, wheels, tires, even race gas -- all come from companies who do pre-sales testing to make sure that what you buy to put on your car is adequately designed and manufactured.
Suspension parts are even more carefully engineered and tested by the major companies that offer them for sale than other performance parts. Why? In any real auto performance environment, the safety of the participants is a factor that is critically protected. That's done by making sure the part will hold up to the intended use and have a margin of safety well above expectations. Does it cost more? Of course. Is it essential? Yep.
I don't own the part exactly because of the defect shown in this thread. There are places to save weight, and places to make sure you have more than adequate strength. If the only people that could comment on a part were those who owned it, this site would have about 30 pages, total.
That's where you're wrong. Almost every part that is sold for Evos has major testing behind it. Injectors, pistons, rods, cams, wheels, tires, even race gas -- all come from companies who do pre-sales testing to make sure that what you buy to put on your car is adequately designed and manufactured.
Suspension parts are even more carefully engineered and tested by the major companies that offer them for sale than other performance parts. Why? In any real auto performance environment, the safety of the participants is a factor that is critically protected. That's done by making sure the part will hold up to the intended use and have a margin of safety well above expectations. Does it cost more? Of course. Is it essential? Yep.
The fastest evo list is all I need to see to find out who is on top with the best products...
Now where's that IGNORE button, FOUND IT!
Last edited by Most-Wanted; Oct 11, 2009 at 04:02 PM.
I'm going to try to make one more post, a review.
1. Many or our original mustache bars CRACKED around the bolts holes that hold it to the rear differential.
2. All of those bars have been replaced free of charge.
3. The new design is much more re-inforced and heavy duty. NONE of the new style bars have cracked.
4. Tom's car is the ONLY car that failed like is pictured and it was due to the passenger side, side differential support bolt being stripped and pulling out of the aluminum subframe above it.
5. The original bars seemed to have cracked because they were built incorrectly and there was a gap between the plate that bolted to the rear end and the rear end cover. When the bolts were tightened it stressed the plate when it pulled it up tight to the rear end cover, then causing it to crack.
I think that covers it. I have nothing else to say about it because that is the end of the story and the facts.
I do agree with you 94awdcoupe that rather than the differential supports being an options they should be mandatory or a bushing kit be used. I am going to look into that this week and may supply everyone who didn't buy them at the time of the bar with a free set now.
It is clear that is why AMS's isn't a problem but also shows that the side diff supports do the work to keep the rear diff from twisting, not the full length mustache bar, stock or otherwise.
1. Many or our original mustache bars CRACKED around the bolts holes that hold it to the rear differential.
2. All of those bars have been replaced free of charge.
3. The new design is much more re-inforced and heavy duty. NONE of the new style bars have cracked.
4. Tom's car is the ONLY car that failed like is pictured and it was due to the passenger side, side differential support bolt being stripped and pulling out of the aluminum subframe above it.
5. The original bars seemed to have cracked because they were built incorrectly and there was a gap between the plate that bolted to the rear end and the rear end cover. When the bolts were tightened it stressed the plate when it pulled it up tight to the rear end cover, then causing it to crack.
I think that covers it. I have nothing else to say about it because that is the end of the story and the facts.
I do agree with you 94awdcoupe that rather than the differential supports being an options they should be mandatory or a bushing kit be used. I am going to look into that this week and may supply everyone who didn't buy them at the time of the bar with a free set now.
It is clear that is why AMS's isn't a problem but also shows that the side diff supports do the work to keep the rear diff from twisting, not the full length mustache bar, stock or otherwise.
well i dont know if it matters but i have an AMS rear mustache delete and the BR side diff brackets. i have not had one bad thing happen to anything. i be leave in the side support theory for sure as i beet the hell out of my car. plus they shed some weight.
That's where you're wrong. Almost every part that is sold for Evos has major testing behind it. Injectors, pistons, rods, cams, wheels, tires, even race gas -- all come from companies who do pre-sales testing to make sure that what you buy to put on your car is adequately designed and manufactured.
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8sec9mivec, excellent new screen name Trent.
Untested tires, unproven for sure.
Blown soft plugs from intake manifolds and casting blown apart on the same intakes......
Yes, pot meet kettle.
Two wrongs don't make a right but the finger pointing in the thread is laughable at best.
Untested tires, unproven for sure.
Blown soft plugs from intake manifolds and casting blown apart on the same intakes......
Yes, pot meet kettle.
Two wrongs don't make a right but the finger pointing in the thread is laughable at best.
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Do tire companys refund money, or send a new set of tires to a customer when they fail to perform?
I know Dave if you made tires, and they didnt outperform a set of blizzaks, that you would make it right with the customer!
I know Dave if you made tires, and they didnt outperform a set of blizzaks, that you would make it right with the customer!
I'm going to try to make one more post, a review.
1. Many or our original mustache bars CRACKED around the bolts holes that hold it to the rear differential.
2. All of those bars have been replaced free of charge.
3. The new design is much more re-inforced and heavy duty. NONE of the new style bars have cracked.
4. Tom's car is the ONLY car that failed like is pictured and it was due to the passenger side, side differential support bolt being stripped and pulling out of the aluminum subframe above it.
5. The original bars seemed to have cracked because they were built incorrectly and there was a gap between the plate that bolted to the rear end and the rear end cover. When the bolts were tightened it stressed the plate when it pulled it up tight to the rear end cover, then causing it to crack.
I think that covers it. I have nothing else to say about it because that is the end of the story and the facts.
I do agree with you 94awdcoupe that rather than the differential supports being an options they should be mandatory or a bushing kit be used. I am going to look into that this week and may supply everyone who didn't buy them at the time of the bar with a free set now.
It is clear that is why AMS's isn't a problem but also shows that the side diff supports do the work to keep the rear diff from twisting, not the full length mustache bar, stock or otherwise.
1. Many or our original mustache bars CRACKED around the bolts holes that hold it to the rear differential.
2. All of those bars have been replaced free of charge.
3. The new design is much more re-inforced and heavy duty. NONE of the new style bars have cracked.
4. Tom's car is the ONLY car that failed like is pictured and it was due to the passenger side, side differential support bolt being stripped and pulling out of the aluminum subframe above it.
5. The original bars seemed to have cracked because they were built incorrectly and there was a gap between the plate that bolted to the rear end and the rear end cover. When the bolts were tightened it stressed the plate when it pulled it up tight to the rear end cover, then causing it to crack.
I think that covers it. I have nothing else to say about it because that is the end of the story and the facts.
I do agree with you 94awdcoupe that rather than the differential supports being an options they should be mandatory or a bushing kit be used. I am going to look into that this week and may supply everyone who didn't buy them at the time of the bar with a free set now.
It is clear that is why AMS's isn't a problem but also shows that the side diff supports do the work to keep the rear diff from twisting, not the full length mustache bar, stock or otherwise.
this was a good post and made sense
but to come back in and keep this going makes you look like an a**
just my thoughts from a total outsider and not a nutswinger
Obviously this is driving me nuts, mostly from the lies and haters but I got a call today from an actual engineer who recalled some of this and it got me thinking. I had to actually remember how the bar was built as I was thinking all three of the bolts that pass through the mustache bar went through the original thin plating. If you guys will look at the picture above of our original bar you will plainly see that one single bolt passes through the thin plate and around that bolt hole is where we saw some cracking. If you look at the picture of Tom's bar you will notice that thin piece of plate is still attached the rear end, right where we saw cracking.
The thing I want to point out is that there are two other bolts that pass through a sleeve welded through the actual tubing. I can gaurantee you that the tubing/sleeving did NOT fail on Tom's car or any other. So as anyone can see, the complete failure of the part to come completely lose from the rear end is nearly impossible. Back to the problem with the bolt being stripped and ripping out of the rear subframe.
Passing the bolts through that tubing in a sleeve is rediculously strong at that point.
I think that should now finish this off.
