EvoPower81

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Has anyone done and dyno comparisons on the fp black vs the HTA3582. It would be interesting to see the results sin they both have the same compressor wheel with the the difference in turbine of 1mm smaller on the black .

Ted B

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Assuming the HTA3582 uses a conventional open turbine housing, the FP Black will spool considerably faster, and will deliver more power under the curve until very high power levels (e.g. 650whp+). I've seen ~750whp eeked out of an HTA3582, but with the advent of the FP Black, it seems not worth converting to a large turbo kit unless one is going to at least an HTA3586 and will wring big power levels out of it.

EvoPower81

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Well said. Anymore views?

RockmanX

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Teb B pretty much nailed it. look at mikes fp black record thread almost 700whp out that puppy lol so you know its good for 600-650 thats plenty of power for the majority of evo owners that want to acheive that

Tonba

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Black spools faster then a HTA3582R Twin Scroll?? Makes Similar Power?

Ted B

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The Black appears to outspool a TS HTA 3582R by about 300rpm on average, judging by where the 200whp line is crossed with respect to rpm. This is understandable, as both are TS turbos, but the Black has a smaller hotside (despite a thrust bearing center). For the same reason, the HTA3582R has a somewhat greater ultimate power potential, but that isn't apparent until way up in the power spectrum.

EvoPower81

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Interesting

Ted B

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This is why I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

It now makes little sense to venture outside of stock framed turbos unless 650++whp is the expected power target.

tim85851

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fp black sounds like a beast more and more after every thread i read about it! im getting one this summer! woot woot!

tvor

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What about the ability to hold that peak power longer through the RPM band (8500+)? I have been set on a black for a while now, but I am starting to doubt that decision. I am going to be shooting for 550-600whp on E-85, but I don't want the feeling of it falling off in the higher revs.

It may be a case of having your cake and eating it too but ideally you would have response like a black and have that power hang on all the way up to 8500 and beyond. From the graphs I have seen recently the black still appears to start losing power past 7k-7500.

jid2

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I've yet to be convinced the Red/Black are reliable as road race turbos. There have been too many failures. The Garret GT turbos are still valid for those applications.

EvoPower81

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I am really impressed with the Red and Black but reliability issues I am now trying to research on these turbos. I have previously sworn never to buy another turbo unless it was ball bearing due to constant failures on journal bearing garrett turbos. Also the fact that they are so expensive has me a little concerned as well. Anyone cares to speak on their behalf

Gary@MellonRacing

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ive been on green and red , and have had no problems

on top of that fp gives u a 1 year warranty + they can repair the turbo cause the make them

Boostfiend

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and what failures would those be? I haven't seen many failures posted and nils beat the mess out of his Red.

MR. EVO MR

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mine is starting to fail

sending in for a rebuild to BLACK + meth on built 2.0 = BIG SMILE ON MY FACE

you want quick spool + power BLACK
you want not so quick spool + more power hta35