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Not to mention you don't have to spin the crap out of them, make tons of boost to make good exceptional power. So T3-T4 turbos produce less heat and more power at 25 psi than RED OR BLACK more ideal in a race/tt setting. Just less response down low.


HTA.82 TS Seems to be a perfect road race turbo. RED and BLACK maybe street autocross HPDE, perfect application for 80% of evo owners.


Evan Smith

 

I don't know how other people's set-ups are but my 3582 (non hta) makes 25psi by 4,400rpms. That's on my own manifold and a .63 Tial v-band housing.

There are a few tuning tweaks you can do to get the turbo to spool faster as well as proper boost control.

I had a 20g (aka green), on my car before and granted it was very fun. Spooled really quick and made some good power...but it always fell off up top. It's just the hand-off to running a stock framed turbo. You are limited to the stock turbine housing. Fp has stepped it up with the 80mm compressor housing which allows a bit more flow and to help combat surging.

Each turbo has it's own light. Red/Black's are great because they bolt onto a stock set-up and have been making some good power. Their downfall however is the price tag and you have to spin the crap out of them to make high power.

Garret/Precision BB turbos have better efficiency because they do not have the space restraints of stock housings. You can get large A/R's and a wide range of wheel sizes. Pick the right combination and you'll have just as much power as a red/black with very comparible spool.

 

For daily driving, few track visits on 93 octane I don't see the FP Black being better then an HTA35R.
I know for a fact that the FP Red on pump gas was very disappointing. Anyone have comparing results of the FP black on straight 93 octane?

 

^ disappointing in what way?! I've seen countless threads of them making well over 400whp on pump.

 

Here is a comparison link from my setup, and that was really done on 91-ish octane. We could have pulled more out of the Red and the Black, but that wasn't really the point of the comparison. I'm on the stock bottom end with a fairly conservative setup so the tune is on the safe side.

 

Disappointing in trap speeds. Specific car I am talking about was tuned by 2 known tuners and still wouldn't trap higher then 118. However the turbo does wake up with high boost, and higher octane.

But like I mentioned, a 35r on pump out performs the stock framed turbos, well at least the FP RED.

I am on a non HTA35r and the car has trapped 127 on straight 93 octane. Self tuned.

 

Lucas English recently tuned an FP Black on a stock block 2.0 with 92 octane and it registered 455whp at ~28psi. It spools faster than a GT35R, and places more power under the curve at the same peak power level. I guarantee this equates to better than 118mph trap speeds. With better fuel and more boost, >600whp is available as AWD Mike and others have demonstrated.

And the clincher is, it costs less than half the price of a turnkey GT35R setup, and it's hard to argue with that.

 

I strongly agree but that goes both ways. More boost and better fuel the 35r has it's strong points. That goes with any turbo really. Stock turbo people have ran low 10s.

Lucas English has what kind of dyno?

I guess I am interested in seeing 93 octane track numbers from this turbo, so I can then make concrete evaluations.

 

Ultimately it depends on what one really intends to do with it. But as for daily driving, few track visits on 93 octane as per our discussion, the 35R brings no real advantage.

Now, if we're going to talk about built engines with E85 or race fuel and more than 10 seconds of pleasure (e.g. a real road race), then we can wax poetic about the advantages of all the upgrades this side of F1. For the daily driven, weekend drag, pump fuel car however, turbos like the FP Red and Black are minor masterpieces that bridge what used to be a sizable gap in turbo selection with considerable compromises on either side.

 

Yea, they better give a 1 year warranty, since their testing their products on customers. Thats why their have been so many fp turbo failures with customer cars, including mine!!

 

Time will only tell if the new oil line kit has solved all of these failures.

 

If fp fu(ks me over again, and this new oil line system dosent work, i'm done with their stock frame turbos. And I will let it be known.

 

Have you tried the BBK turbos from CBRD? That's what Bryan at GST seems to like.

 

LOL again since the new oil line i have not read of any failures at all. I have seen no failures on the HTA GREEN or the FP BLack only the fp red back in the gap. Whether you want to accept it or not the black closes the gap between 500 with meth to now 600-650 and saving 2k in my pocket with that money i could add a built head or a used built block to my setup. and make even more power the 35r and up has there place but now its really for if you want 700+ for now

 

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