Hey,

Heres some background info on my car, 06 Evo 9;

Current Engine Mods:
- ETS UICP & LICP
- ETS 3.5" Intercooler
- Hallman MBC
- Cone Filter
- Walbro fuel pump (not installed yet)

Goal with BBK Full: 400 whp.

So im buying a BBK Turbo hopefully by end of April, definatley beginning of May. I need some supporting mods to reach my goals.

Here are my questions:

1. I need an exhaust manifold. Which is the best place to buy a ported one. Im thinking PPI (Paradigm Performance)

2. I need a o2 housing. I dunno where the best place is to get one. I was going to go with PPI again and get a stocker ported one or I was going to go with Megan but I heard the Megans give you boost creep. Suggestions?

3. Fuel Injectors - I believe I should be going for 880cc Injectors however I have no idea which ones are good for this application. Suggestions on good brand and good place to purchase them.

4. Do I need an aftermarket fuel rail or fuel pressure regulator?

5. I know Cams make a difference and ill be honest I am planning on doing them later on, however do I really need them to reach my objective???

Opinions welcome, Im excited to do this, heard nothing but awesome things about the CRBD BBK Full, been saving like mad! Expensive turbo!

 

You did not mention you had an exhaust on your mod list, but I assume you do have a full TBE.

1. I have heard good things from the porting of oem manifolds from PPI. Porting and coating the oem manifold is arguably the best manifold for stock frame turbos.

2. Have you given any thought to an O2 dump? If not the buschur ported and coated is very good.

3. 880cc would be sufficient however, why not go with 1000cc and you may never have to change them again if you choose to go to a larger turbo.

4. Fuel rail would be good, especially if you are doing injectors however, it may not be necessary to reach your hp goal.

5. The IX mivec cams should be good to make that power however, they would add a little more power, but not as much difference as an VIII would make. If you do change the cams do springs and retainers as well. Why not do the cams now though so you will not have to retune if you install them after.

Call CBRD and they will guide you in the right direction with what you need.

Best wishes!

 

I think with your future setup u'll break 375WHP on cbrd's dyno (mustang, so low reading), on other dynos however, i think this will be achievable!!

You can either port your ex. manifold or get either shearer or JM-Fab manifold.. The Shearer has good reputation for stock tubo ex. manifolds!!

Good luck!

 

I'm in the same boat as you. Will be ordering my BBK soon, supporting mods already stockpiled in the closet.

1. I am going with AWD Motorsports. Their manifolds are Buschur ported and then coated flat black. And only $195 if you send your manifold after putting the ported one on.

2. I've heard nothing but good things about the Megan. Can't be beat for the price. Or an o2 dump if you can afford it and don't mind the sound. I got a good deal on a MAP o2 dump and went with that.

3. The thing about injectors is that, assuming you have a good tuner, there's no reason not to get bigger than you need. I got Precision 1600cc injectors because I may be getting an E85 tune at some point. E85 = huge injectors. If you can afford it, plan ahead. But 880s should be fine for pump.

4. No. I don't have one, and very few BBK dyno threads feature them.

5. Depends on the dyno, depends on the tune. If you want to hit 400 (or close) on a Mustang Dyno on pump gas, I'd recommend cams. Not sure it has been done with the BBK on stock cams. I went with GSC S2's + GSC Beehive Springs.

I can tell you're just as excited as I am. Good luck.

 

Have you considered waiting for the pending release of the new BBK-B turbo instead of the original BBK? Install either the GCS S2 or the Kelford 272 cams to help achieve your power goal. 880 c.c. injectors will be fine for that turbo on pump gas. However, you don't need to waste your money on an adjustable FPR, or a billet fuel rail for that matter. Instead get the cams or a PPI ported IM and TB as well.

 

What fuel are you planning on running?

If you're doing this on 91 (looks like that's what's mostly up in Edmonton) then you're going to be hard pressed. I know, since that's my peak whp goal as well and I'm in the process of doing my own build-up.

Take a look at these threads to answer your build questions.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...tephra-v7.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ct-370whp.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...e-evo-9-a.html

If you're curious, this is my set-up (most of the parts are in the garage awaiting install and tuning)

My goal?

As close to 400whp on 91 as possible.

BBK Full Turbo Kit
MAP V2 Ported Intake Manifold
Mil.Spec 65mm Throttle Body
Forge Adjustable Wastegate Actuator
PTE 1000cc injectors (Size is E85 ready)
Walbro 255 lph Fuel Pump
Kelford 272 Camshafts
Supertech Dual Valve Springs + Retainers
ARP Head Studs
AMS LICP
ETS 3.5" FMIC
Perrin Intake
WORKS 3" TBE w/ Resonated Test Pipe
Titek V2 O2 Housing
Ported/Polished/Coated Stock Exhaust Manifold

Answers to your questions:

1. I picked up a used ported/polished/coated exhaust manifold (Forced Performance) off of EvoM, but I was considering MAP back when I was looking. If you already have a core to exchange it's $225 US.

2. My research turned up the stainless steel Titek V2 as the one with the best average gains (Invidia seems to be another popular housing), but feel free to read some threads here to verify that for yourself. I've also found that the $ to whp ratio on having this part coated is negligible, but again you can research that on your own.

3. Depends on what fuel you're running. I plan on running E85 at some point, so I'm starting larger, tuning for 91 and then eventually E85 ~90% duty cycle @ WOT.

4. Probably not if you're only going to be running a BBK full. Don't believe the marketing hype! I see idiots with stock cars running fuel rails and **** because they don't know any better and think that lego building is going to net them the best gains. What you see in Hollywood films is not good racing/performance sense. "Y0 dawg, my AEM intake says +35hp and my fuel rail says +15hp so my car MUST have like 350whp!"

5. I'm sorry to say, but without cams you're probably never going to hit 400whp and especially not on pump gas.

 

read through my thread here https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...d-bbk-ftw.html

i made 399.5 on 93 pump with the mods listed in the thread. make sure you read to the second page there is an update from when i got rid of my ets 3.5 inch intercooler.

jeff

 

whats the story with the bbk-b?

I'm looking for the ultimate pump gas turbo. I have all supporting mods as well.

I dynoed 310 awhp on a dyno dynamics - assuming I just swap over the turbo and appropriate injectors - what do you think i'll be looking at at the same dyno?

Also, think the stock clutch would hold with no launches? I have a perfect condition stock clutch and I have read some people making insane power and them holding.

 

Very nice set-up, Jeff. I'll be keeping an eye on that CBRD FMIC for sure. Now I'm all freaked out wondering if my ETS has a Garret core or not.



Very similar to the other 400whp stock frame turbo/pump gas builds I've seen on EvoM.

 

1. MAP Rev2 https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...highlight=rev2

2. Ceramic coated megan ss o2 from MAP in the same box as your rev2 manifold

3. FIC 850's should be plenty, you could do PTE 1000's, the new FIC 1100's, or w/e.

4. No.

5. Cams are good, but you have an IX. Just rock the stock cams for a while, then upgrade when you get time. FP 4R or GSC S2's, hands down.


Call chad@CBRD, he will help!

 

Sorry, Yes I have a full catless TBE, thanks for the response

I was going to wait for the BBK-B, but there doesnt seem to be a ETA on it, so I dunno...I am planning on doing cams however, where i live, its not as easy or accessible to get cams installed as it is in the states. I promise it is on my to do list

Im planning on running 94 Octane gas. Do u live near my city?

Regarding cams, I know cams help, Ive heard with Evo 9, the gains are not as big as Evo 8, that is why I was wondering.

interesting thread!

 

Not unless you are in the San Francisco bay area.

Yes, the VIII does benefit more from cams since it's lacking MIVEC, but going from stock to something like Cosworth or Kelford 272 cams is a considerable difference, even in a IX. Add an aftermarket turbo that can really wake your aftermarket cams up and you'll be quite impressed.

 

What is the warranty on BBK full turbo guys? Is it like the FP warranty process or different?

 

From what I've seen on the forums and dealing with Chad directly via email, they're a very stand-up company. I'm sure if you have any issues with their products, they'll make it right.



You already worried about manufacturing defects?

 

I am just wondering. My buddy last night brought this warranty topic up between FP and BBK. Im still debating whether i'll go for BBK full or FP red. I bought an FP red before but i sold it because i needed the money. I didn't even get a chance to install it on my Evo. Too bad right. So now i am saving my money again for upgrading my turbo. 400+ power should be enough for me.