New BW EFR Turbo Thread
Aug 25, 2011, 07:43 PM
#691
adding to what you are saying, i would much rather have a manufacturer give me the best quality product if its going to take a little bit longer, instead of them sending me out the product right away because im *****ing, only for it to break 100 miles after putting it on
now how long that takes to make sure the quality is top notch is questionable
i think what they are doing is smart. they know that in this community, if their product's quality sucks, they will have no chance of recovering. yea, the wait sucks, but they have to cover their asses so that they can make it though just the first and second batches of these turbos and make money
me too
now how long that takes to make sure the quality is top notch is questionable
i think what they are doing is smart. they know that in this community, if their product's quality sucks, they will have no chance of recovering. yea, the wait sucks, but they have to cover their asses so that they can make it though just the first and second batches of these turbos and make money
me too
Aug 26, 2011, 06:09 AM
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I would assume they outsourced housing production because they have no direct experience (investment) casting thinwall stainless steel, all their turbine housings hitherto have been plain-jane cast iron
Aug 26, 2011, 02:47 PM
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adding to what you are saying, i would much rather have a manufacturer give me the best quality product if its going to take a little bit longer, instead of them sending me out the product right away because im *****ing, only for it to break 100 miles after putting it on
Isn't the whole issue with the EFR delay related to a quality problem from a couple of their suppliers? So they had a product, they were happy with the prototypes, went to put it into production and made a huge media push on it (I have an EFR SSE Evo poster in my cube looking at me) and then found the production release was hampered with massive quality problems from the suppliers. They made the choice to resource the suppliers to get a decent product out rather than push it out with the subpar components. That seems like the only sensible thing to do from their standpoint... and resourcing something like that can take many months. It sucks for the end customer who was told they could expect the turbo any day and then waits months for a product with no news, but there isn't much they can do.
NO, nothing on the EFR is from china, please stop posting mis-information even if you are joking - no one wants to read misinfo
Last edited by Geoff Raicer; Aug 26, 2011 at 03:08 PM.
Aug 26, 2011, 09:08 PM
#698
It's very very difficult to find suppliers that will deal with low volumes. Anything below tens of thousands, and many suppliers won't even bother looking at your request.
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Aug 26, 2011, 09:54 PM
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Actually, very few. Put it this way, how many turbo Audi/VW 2.0ts are there? Easily hundreds of thousands. THAT's the account you want. Who wants to dick around with a few hundred turbos a year when you could be making a few hundred thousand? It takes the same amount of engineering for a project to make one turbine housing or one million. Obviously, you want the project with one million.
It's very very difficult to find suppliers that will deal with low volumes. Anything below tens of thousands, and many suppliers won't even bother looking at your request.
It's very very difficult to find suppliers that will deal with low volumes. Anything below tens of thousands, and many suppliers won't even bother looking at your request.
Aug 27, 2011, 12:18 AM
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If I'm not mistaken the EFR 6258 (or a customized variant of it) is OE fitment on the Porsche Cayenne/Panamera Turbo S. Not exactly massive volume but its an OE supply contract nonetheless... Who knows given more time we might see them trickle down to more OE applications...
Aug 27, 2011, 10:14 AM
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And then you run into the situation that I think BW is in right now. Oh, let's try this new supplier! Crap, the housings the made are junk. On to the next supplier and now we're 6 months behind. Oh, let's try this supplier. Crap, they're junk too. Damnit, now we're behind another 6 months.
Aug 30, 2011, 11:26 AM
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I've seen an opportunity for purchase a T3 SS 8374 but decided not to because initial results have proven that the HTA3586 makes much more power at lower boost levels. There is also no proof that the power band will be better or it will last any longer.
Until the results meets the hype these things don't get much credit in my book. Results from a race car don't count. And so far we have 0 results on paper for evo's.
Until the results meets the hype these things don't get much credit in my book. Results from a race car don't count. And so far we have 0 results on paper for evo's.
Aug 30, 2011, 11:56 AM
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initial results have proven that the HTA3586 makes much more power at lower boost levels. There is also no proof that the power band will be better or it will last any longer. Until the results meets the hype these things don't get much credit in my book. Results from a race car don't count. And so far we have 0 results on paper for evo's.