no... even if you try all of three of the flashes, how are gonna feel if one has 5 more hp than the other, I'm sure if all three tuners did the same test on a stock EVO, the gains would be very very close to each other, as all three tuners are experts at this

 

I agree. There really is only so much u can change in the ecu maps. And all 3 seem to have lots of experience in doing so. I guess since Al and dynoflash have done and sold so many, they can afford to drop their price.

 

Well then could u plz enligten us as to how they are different in specific? That would help a lot.

 

I believe MP5 already stated some of the differences.

 

I love the initial pull of the Xflash but love the higher rpm pull of the P2.

Never tested the Dynoflash, so no opinion on that one.

 

My BuschurFlashed Stage IV (w/Al's on the road tune)was 5 seconds faster than a flashed EVO on slicks...and over 10 seconds faster than all the other 25 + (and this included two cars from the other tuners) EVOs @ T-hill. Think I have any Questions on who's the best "flasher"?

 

I'm not sure this is relivant, except to show that you can make big power with a Dynoflash, but we already knew that from Al's personal car. There is much more going on with your lap times than just the Flash (all your mods and driver ability to name a few)

Could the XFlash or Works Flash done the same or possibly better on your car? Unfortunately we'll never know. I not sure how you can know who the "best flasher" is after only trying one.

 

As far as which I prefer, I wouldn't need to try all three. A preference can be based on a number of things, not least of all, customer service. So if I want good customer service (and actually not lose any power or driveability), that is another reason I could make my choice without having to have used all 3.

 

I agree. I would gladly purchase any of the three if I needed a flash. They all seem to take good care of their customers and I havn't seen anything but positive posts about improved hp and drivabilty.

I think the reasonable question is, why are the XFalsh and Works Flash more expensive and does this make them better? I don't know.

I just don't think you can objectively state one is better than the other without some sort of empirical analysis. You can rightfully state "I have the _____ flash and it is great", but to compare is a stretch.

 

One word: overhead. But at the same time, that should not be a reason for a vendor with a more expensive product to deride the vendor with no overhead. A business' philosophy with its competition often mirrors its attitude toward its customers. A good example of this is Micro$oft...

 

Maybe you're right, but what if Works changed more (say 3 times more) maps than Dynoflash? That could explain the price difference as well. Unfortunatley, without more technical info, we can only guess.

I'm not sure where you got this, maybe another post? Shiv's posts above don't deride anyone. I do know that if you were to eliminate any vendor that has been in the flame wars, you're options are very limited.

 

Read this thread more carefully, my friend, and you'll see where those comments come from. I agree about the lack of vendors if those complicit with flaming were excluded. As far as mapping goes, because it's a flash, all of the vendors could modify the same parameters, but there would not be any variability of mapping in a flash by the nature of the mod. Mapping choices would be included in a stand-alone or piggyback-type unit, not a flash. I understand what you mean, though. Who knows which parameters each tuner is changing? I am sure some (if not all) would like to keep their flash information proprietary and confidential.

For the record, I have had 2 different flashes, and had great experiences with both of them. The only reason for the second flash was because I added mods and was running very high A/Fs. After I install my boost controller and fuel pump, I will get one more flash to finalize my mods.

 

Hey shiv, are you able to do custom tunes to cars that have diffrent mods on the cars or do you only do the flash for the mods you sell? I know dynoflash allows you to have any mods and then he will have flash for your specific mods.

 

Works is a solid flash and the guys there are great.

 

Having driven neither of the choices, just want to point out that dyno curves are great to determine performance on a track - they are done at WOT. For day-to-day use partial throttle response also matters, as do cold start, and a bunch of other parmeters. Transitional response makes for a great road car whereas it doesn't usually matter much in a race car. So ideally you drive all of them and then make up your mind - and let all of the rest of us know how each performs.