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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AutoXMRIX
I'd be happier if you could send me a tool to use for that tight spot on the two 12 point arp bolts. I'll need to be able to torque them down. I don't want to grind it since I had it coated.
A thin walled wrench should work fine, we don't have any to spare.

Originally Posted by mrfred
Didn't a couple of people say that a 6-point bolt works fine using an open-end wrench?
To my knowledge all the kits we have shipped have been the 12 point ARP nuts which we tested in house and fit perfectly on the production units we tested.

Originally Posted by DaRw1n
Will those of us who ordered months ago be starting to receive ours? Thanks!
If you were outside of the first 40 the additional 60 we ordered should be arriving next week and will ship after we make sure there's no issue with them.



Originally Posted by xXANCHORMONXx
Thin walled socket, no

Not sure if I'll notch the mani, modify my box wrench or what.
Sorry I meant wrench not socket.

Originally Posted by 06MREvo
Thanks for the reply Michael. So the main question at this point is, for the manifolds that have yet to be shipped, will FP be grinding down the front of the manifold for easy access to the nuts?? That seems to be the main complaint from most of the people that have already received their manifold & from people waiting on their manifold. Having to take a grinder to the manifold doesn't bother me much, I would obviously rather not have to do it before installing it though, but is seems a lot of members don't have access to a grinder or the ability to do it. It is obvious in the pics in the first post of the thread that a grinder was taken to the front of the manifold & to be honest I feel that should have been done to every manifold before being shipped.....
The picture on the website that someone posted is of a pre-production prototype it was clearanced by hand and specs were sent to the foundry and the mold adjusted to add that clearance in. The units we tested here and installed on our test car had no issue fitting with our hardware without any type of grinding being necessary. Also the computer measurements showed to be spot on to what it should be and the additional clearance was definitely added to the manifold per our specifications. We did have to use a thin walled 12 point wrench to get it to fit and it was tight but we were able to get them on without any grinding being necessary.

That being said when the next batch shows up the engineer will check that batch as well and adjust if necessary. If it's just the case of people not having the right tools for the job, there's not much we can do about that.

Originally Posted by TommiM
If you can use that bolt without the spacers it looks like you may get better clearance for the socket. You may have to use either a 3/8" drive flex joint 12 point socket, or even a 1/4" drive flex might work better.
Originally Posted by xXANCHORMONXx
They are lock washers and I want to have them in there just in case.

Hopefully the local special tool place had a flare wrench that's 12 point
The engineer has informed me that running a single washer up front is acceptable and wouldn't be an issue in the long run.

The engineer will be back from vacation Monday and I'll have him double check the parts kits. That's the really only variable that could be the issue that the ARP nuts we shipped out were somehow not the ones we ordered and tested prior to building the kits. If that's the case then we'll send out replacement nuts out to those who ordered the parts kits.

Again I apologize that some of you are having issues, and if there's something we can do to make sure it doesn't happen go forward we'll do it.

-Michael

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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael @ FP
The engineer will be back from vacation Monday and I'll have him double check the parts kits. That's the really only variable that could be the issue that the ARP nuts we shipped out were somehow not the ones we ordered and tested prior to building the kits. If that's the case then we'll send out replacement nuts out to those who ordered the parts kits.




So were you guys supposed to ship out the 12 point or 6 point nut?
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by AutoXMRIX
So were you guys supposed to ship out the 12 point or 6 point nut?
I believe 6 point bolt and 12 point ARP nut. That's what I got at least..
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 11:06 AM
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The nuts are 12 point ARP.

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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 12:26 PM
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For those that already got their manifold save yourself some headache and use 6-pt sided hex nuts and a crowfoot to torque the nuts properly. Tried various 12-pt tools mentioned on the ARP 12-pt nuts but won't work unless u grind the manifold for clearance.



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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael @ FP
The nuts are 12 point ARP.

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If it was supposed to be 6 point, please ship that out to us.
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 05:35 PM
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Problem solved

Picked up a cheap 4 dollar wrench. And took an angle grinder too it.
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by xXANCHORMONXx
Problem solved

Picked up a cheap 4 dollar wrench. And took an angle grinder too it.
Will that wrench work when it comes time to disconnect the turbo?
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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 06:39 PM
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Will that wrench work when it comes time to disconnect the turbo?
Lol

It will work fine I'll just keep it in my glove box.
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Old Jan 4, 2014 | 12:26 PM
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Thanks to Michael and the guys at FP for taking the time to answer some of the concerns that have been presented in the thread. As the first run consumers we are aware that it would not be perfect and others probably didn't realize that but at the end of the day taking the time to address these issues, provide suggestions, and offer an apology is greatly appreciated.
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Old Jan 5, 2014 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ralliart004
Thanks to Michael and the guys at FP for taking the time to answer some of the concerns that have been presented in the thread. As the first run consumers we are aware that it would not be perfect and others probably didn't realize that but at the end of the day taking the time to address these issues, provide suggestions, and offer an apology is greatly appreciated.
Yeah that is what it makes the company better and that's why I'm still gonna order one as soon tax season gets here
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by xXANCHORMONXx
Problem solved

Picked up a cheap 4 dollar wrench. And took an angle grinder too it.
This is a great solution for creating the right tool for the job. While craftsman, snap-on, and matco all offer specialty thin wall wrenches that will achieve the same effect this is probably the best alternative.

We want to keep the casting as thick as possible for obvious reasons we knew going into this it was a tight fit but at this point it's not a flaw or a lack of planning/qc/design it's just about having the right tool for the job.

The answer is not to grind any more material away from the manifold or to use a different nut it's just about having the correct tool. Our engineer here has confirmed that the hardware we shipped is in fact the hardware we tested and he pulled a few more units including one we had coated and had no problem fitting the manifold on the car.

I have yet to be given any pictures or documentation on the heat shield not fitting so I have no more to add to that particular issue at this point.

So at this point we can find no flaws in any of the manifolds that we have on hand or the hardware we're currently shipping. We apologize for any confusion and I'll be working on an install instruction write up to attach to the product page so that people know going forward that it may require a "special" tool for installation.

In the mean time those of you with the manifolds on hand and having issues grab a harbor freight wrench and grind that sucker down and you'll have no issues fitting the manifold.

-Michael

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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael @ FP
This is a great solution for creating the right tool for the job. While craftsman, snap-on, and matco all offer specialty thin wall wrenches that will achieve the same effect this is probably the best alternative.

We want to keep the casting as thick as possible for obvious reasons we knew going into this it was a tight fit but at this point it's not a flaw or a lack of planning/qc/design it's just about having the right tool for the job.

The answer is not to grind any more material away from the manifold or to use a different nut it's just about having the correct tool. Our engineer here has confirmed that the hardware we shipped is in fact the hardware we tested and he pulled a few more units including one we had coated and had no problem fitting the manifold on the car.

I have yet to be given any pictures or documentation on the heat shield not fitting so I have no more to add to that particular issue at this point.

So at this point we can find no flaws in any of the manifolds that we have on hand or the hardware we're currently shipping. We apologize for any confusion and I'll be working on an install instruction write up to attach to the product page so that people know going forward that it may require a "special" tool for installation.

In the mean time those of you with the manifolds on hand and having issues grab a harbor freight wrench and grind that sucker down and you'll have no issues fitting the manifold.

-Michael
Mike,

If I ordered one of these online today- when would I anticipate shipment? Any holiday deals on these?
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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by turbotboz
Mike,

If I ordered one of these online today- when would I anticipate shipment? Any holiday deals on these?
I've been told that the rest of our 100pcs should be arriving Wednesday give a few days to check them out and we should be shipping them out next week sometime.

As for deals I sold the majority of the 100pcs we've ordered so the 10 or so I have left have to last until the next batch is finished so cutting deals is out of the question as of right now.

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Old Jan 6, 2014 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael @ FP
The FP Zero is currently a prototype turbo but won't be that way for long. We'll be announcing particulars about it here in a month or so.

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Hopefully something soon micheal ?

Might have a brand new 3586 for sale! Ha!
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