FP Stainless Housing
This looks like a nice part and glad to see innovation for the CT9A.
However, I will mark FP off my list for a turbo upgrade. My Evo is a road racing track car. I could care less about squeezing every last pony out of my setup. What I am in the market for is a bolt-on solution that gives me the ability to make a little more than stock turbo power reliably, with spool and response as close to the stock IX turbo as possible. The FPGreen HTA BB was at the top of my list.
Spending an additional $1000-$1400 on more parts to go with the upgraded turbo adds no benefit to my setup. That money could go to brake pads and Hoosiers.
However, I will mark FP off my list for a turbo upgrade. My Evo is a road racing track car. I could care less about squeezing every last pony out of my setup. What I am in the market for is a bolt-on solution that gives me the ability to make a little more than stock turbo power reliably, with spool and response as close to the stock IX turbo as possible. The FPGreen HTA BB was at the top of my list.
Spending an additional $1000-$1400 on more parts to go with the upgraded turbo adds no benefit to my setup. That money could go to brake pads and Hoosiers.
This looks like a nice part and glad to see innovation for the CT9A.
However, I will mark FP off my list for a turbo upgrade. My Evo is a road racing track car. I could care less about squeezing every last pony out of my setup. What I am in the market for is a bolt-on solution that gives me the ability to make a little more than stock turbo power reliably, with spool and response as close to the stock IX turbo as possible. The FPGreen HTA BB was at the top of my list.
Spending an additional $1000-$1400 on more parts to go with the upgraded turbo adds no benefit to my setup. That money could go to brake pads and Hoosiers.
However, I will mark FP off my list for a turbo upgrade. My Evo is a road racing track car. I could care less about squeezing every last pony out of my setup. What I am in the market for is a bolt-on solution that gives me the ability to make a little more than stock turbo power reliably, with spool and response as close to the stock IX turbo as possible. The FPGreen HTA BB was at the top of my list.
Spending an additional $1000-$1400 on more parts to go with the upgraded turbo adds no benefit to my setup. That money could go to brake pads and Hoosiers.
This looks like a nice part and glad to see innovation for the CT9A.
However, I will mark FP off my list for a turbo upgrade. My Evo is a road racing track car. I could care less about squeezing every last pony out of my setup. What I am in the market for is a bolt-on solution that gives me the ability to make a little more than stock turbo power reliably, with spool and response as close to the stock IX turbo as possible. The FPGreen HTA BB was at the top of my list.
Spending an additional $1000-$1400 on more parts to go with the upgraded turbo adds no benefit to my setup. That money could go to brake pads and Hoosiers.
However, I will mark FP off my list for a turbo upgrade. My Evo is a road racing track car. I could care less about squeezing every last pony out of my setup. What I am in the market for is a bolt-on solution that gives me the ability to make a little more than stock turbo power reliably, with spool and response as close to the stock IX turbo as possible. The FPGreen HTA BB was at the top of my list.
Spending an additional $1000-$1400 on more parts to go with the upgraded turbo adds no benefit to my setup. That money could go to brake pads and Hoosiers.
If you guys have a stock housing you can send it in and they will machine it to work. Or you could buy it with the SS housing and I am sure someone who has an old red would swap turbine housing's and probably give you money.
How? Like most NASA competitors I run in a power-to-weight class. The Green HTA would make a fair amount more power than I can legally run maxed out. But it would be very easy to tune it down to give a fat powerband on pump gas (93), and it is (was) a simple bolt-on solution. There is no gain for my application with this new housing and setup, no net effect on lap times. And lots of folks before me have beat the crap out of internal waste gate stock and stock frame turbos on road courses with no issues.
But for folks looking to bang the most they can get out of a setup, more power to them.
That is an option. You can also add a regular 10.5 cover for $300 extra, whereas it used to be just part of the package.
I'd never pass smog, a B.A.R. exam, nor a CHP hood pop with the sexy new setup. I was 100% happy with the old turbos.
There are other stock-framed turbos on the market, so I'm not worried. Just a bit surprised.
There are other stock-framed turbos on the market, so I'm not worried. Just a bit surprised.
I know I seemed against it at first, but this is innovation. I think that it just means we need to be more creative, and I think I have an idea for us Cali folks
http://www.atpwrap.com/html/imports.html
Get some of this to go on the stock manifold and/or the new O2 housing setup, it will make it look stock and should pass visual, and at the same time be functional
As a Californian, after looking through this thread I will be proud to buy a FP turbo because they refused to compromise on performance. We need more vendors like that are willing to support our aging platform and give us the best products they can offer.
I have a couple ideas how to hide this from the CHP and smog techs. Limits, like fear, is often an illusion.
I have a couple ideas how to hide this from the CHP and smog techs. Limits, like fear, is often an illusion.
Innovation is great and I'm not saying these housings aren't awesome. Just saying some of us were happy with the old turbos and may even prefer them. "If it ain't broke", etc. Adding a higher-performance line is great, but if you stop making your bread and butter parts, then you loose all those customers who prefer stock turbos to T3 etc kits. These housings are headed that way. I am not looking to make absolute power at any cost, so I'm perfectly happy with stock framed turbos and their limitations. Otherwise, I'd buy a T3 kit.
No amount of hiding will get you past a B.A.R. inspection. Unfortunately I live in a REALLY strict city.
No amount of hiding will get you past a B.A.R. inspection. Unfortunately I live in a REALLY strict city.
Last edited by kaj; Apr 15, 2014 at 09:43 PM.
I originally was also on the side of criticizing these housings. But that was when this was the only housing option and I was attempting to get fp to offer them with the option of the stock housing, because after all you do not get to the level that fp is at without listening to your customers. Well big surprise, they did, so now they offer the stock housing as an option and will port your used stock housing to build the turbo is it is in good enough condition to stake their name on. Because after all if they were to use a housing with a crack in it and it failed then I guarantee the owner would be like wtf fp sucks, so they do it to offer top quality. And yes getting a turbo with the stock housing costs more, but that's just basic economics. As supply dwindles the price of the product is going to increase, and it would not be wise for fp to swallow all the increased costs to use the oem housings, that would quickly put them out of business. With that being said if you do not like the price of the stock housing turbo offerings from fp, then simply don't buy them. I won't be using an fp turbo on my build because it is just out of my budget to do so, I will be using a map turbo which while not a ball bearing turbo still has just as good a quality to it. The only reason that they are able to continue to offer a stock frame turbo for so cheap is that they have their own housing made rather than using the oem housing, so they are not constrained by the same market shortage as fp, as they stated earlier in this thread.
So cliff note fp still does offer their turbos with a stock housing, if you don't like the price of that option don't buy it, fp isn't the only quality turbo manufacturer in this market.
So cliff note fp still does offer their turbos with a stock housing, if you don't like the price of that option don't buy it, fp isn't the only quality turbo manufacturer in this market.
i currently have a MAP ef2.5. i wish their stuff was BB so i could move up to a 3 or 4, but eh well. this thing kicked some major but at the track the other day.
anyway, if i ever get to a point where i don't need a stock-appearing turbo, i'll be all over this FP one. it looks SO nice in SS.
maybe i'll get one to decorate the garage. LOL. is so sexy.
http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...e=Lancer-Turbo
Just an FYI we are once again offering Reds and Blacks in JB trim for those cost conscience but you must read and understand the technical articles on oiling and oil starvation due to sloshing before we'll sell you one.
As for the stock housing being $300 more it's because I have to buy a complete EVO 9 turbocharger to get it which is a $600 increase over buying the housing by itself. Then I have to take it apart and have it machined another $100 worth of labor. So we split the difference on the cost of the turbo with the public, otherwise we couldn't afford to sell the housing at all.
- Michael
Just an FYI we are once again offering Reds and Blacks in JB trim for those cost conscience but you must read and understand the technical articles on oiling and oil starvation due to sloshing before we'll sell you one.
As for the stock housing being $300 more it's because I have to buy a complete EVO 9 turbocharger to get it which is a $600 increase over buying the housing by itself. Then I have to take it apart and have it machined another $100 worth of labor. So we split the difference on the cost of the turbo with the public, otherwise we couldn't afford to sell the housing at all.
- Michael