If you want to attack the seller, do so privately. There's nothing to be gained by posting here about it and it's not helping resolve anything nor is it contributing anything to the thread.



He's said numerous times he doesn't want to keep it. He wants a refund, so refund him the money and he can send the turbo back to you. Regardless of what the past is with the turbo, you are the one who sold it to him on false claims so that burden lies on you. Once you've taken care of him you can go after whoever you purchased the turbo from and deal with them separately.

I am now curious how unintentional misrepresentation works. Misrepresentation usually only requires that the seller showed conscious ignorance or a reckless disregard for the truth, which would be more than minimally met in this case, I assume. If someone bought a manifold, advertised as "Full Race", and then sold it to someone else as such, would they then be liable if it turned out that the manifold was not as advertised in either sale? I suspect yes, but it doesn't seem to meet the basic requirements for this tort to apply. It isn't "passing off", either.

This seller claimed to have verified this as a BB turbo, when he clearly didn't. He misrepresented the fact that he called FP to verify what the turbo was, almost as if he knew it wasn't a BB turbo to begin with. To me, he intended to sell an item that was not as he said it was.

I honestly don't care what anyone thinks. I thought it was a BB turbo so I sold it as one. I'm the one still here, still commenting on this thread. If I was a scammer I would of closed my account and ran with the money.

Like I said, I'm following what paypal told me to do. I don't care what anyone says to do. This is what I am doing. Paypal is the one holding the money so I am going to follow their rules.

Mods should close this thread and just let me and insane noodle handle it.

^ Maybe, but if that had happened then he also would have been sold a used JB turbo with no warranty when he thought he was buying a brand new BB turbo

No no, this thread is not about you, anymore. This kind of misunderstanding occurs all the time on this forum and many others. Occasionally, the seller legitimately was taken by a previous seller (which is what you are claiming happened). The last time that this happened on EvoM, it was a manifold advertised as something other than what it was (at least a few mods should remember the "Full Race" manifold incident). It happened on another forum that I frequent, too. I now want to know what liability, if any, someone in your position has assuming that the second buyer does figure out that the product is not what was advertised. I want for other people to learn from this. You agreed to buyer protection through PayPal, which has its own alternate dispute resolution process (read your PayPal agreement, if you have not done so already). What would have happened, in this case, had the buyer sent the money as a gift and thus did not agree to alternative dispute resolution? You would very soon be in court, I suspect, had that not taken place. In order to make peoples' lives easier, does EvoM need to change its policy about transactions to include an alternate dispute resolution process to avoid situations like this? They are becoming more and more common. I would love for an attorney to chime in. Something clearly needs to change.

Well this thread ruined my rep. I can't even buy a damn car on here. I have some moron posting on my WTB. Mods really need to step up.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sa...0k-please.html

Everyone needs to back off. I'm going to make it right I just need to follow paypals rules.

You can refund the money and close the dispute at any time, but you still have not done so.

I DON"T HAVE THE TURBO IN MY POSSESSION. I am not refunding/closing the case. Period end of story so people need to stop mentioning that. If I do that I forfeit my seller protection and then he can keep the turbo with no repercussions. Sorry, not happening. I will do it the normal way, he will win the paypal case, paypal will hold the money. When I receive the turbo paypal will release the money into his account and everyone is happy. This is what is happening.

Then you will continually be known as the scumbag that wouldn't rectify his mistake.

You're right.

And this is why your rep is and will remain tarnished. If you had refunded the money, I would've sent you the turbo back. You have no reason not to trust me (I've been a member for over 9 years, have some itrader cred, and have been most transparent in this whole process).

But despite what you claim, your refusal to refund is taken by me and the members of this community as your admission of guilt. The only reason I would see why you wouldn't just refund and be done with it is because you want to save your 40 or 50 bucks for return shipping. You had chance to do right by me and to defend your integrity but you wanted it your way so I'm waiting on a case # from IC3 to proceed with the PayPal dispute process.

To the mods: While I understand that comments by parties uninvolved may not be constructive, I'd like to keep the thread open until a resolution is reached.

Merry Christmas/holidays everyone!

Your right mods need to step up and ban you from the forums. You did this to yourself and you won't make it right. Go try and screw people somewhere else.

You people are all morons. Do you not understand how paypal works? I have no problem refunding him. Demon close this ****ing thread.

I'm not defending the seller, but if I understand correctly, it's all up to you now to resolve the issue. He seems to be saying that if you return the turbo you will be refunded automatically via PayPal. You seem to want him to refund the money before you send the turbo back and I don't see why you should expect that. Is what he said not correct with regards to Paypal? If I am missing out on something please clarify.

Merry Christmas to you too.