How to tell if a turbo is BB or JB
I'm not defending the seller, but if I understand correctly, it's all up to you now to resolve the issue. He seems to be saying that if you return the turbo you will be refunded automatically via PayPal. You seem to want him to refund the money before you send the turbo back and I don't see why you should expect that. Is what he said not correct with regards to Paypal? If I am missing out on something please clarify.
Merry Christmas to you too.
Merry Christmas to you too.
Read the entire thread and you'll understand why I'm hesitant to trust seller will keep his word. I and many here believe I'm not in the wrong here. Paypal has also advised me not to send anything back until the case is resolved. I only put that option out there for the seller to prove his innocence.
The most egregious and blatant attempt at deception was claiming to have purchased it directly from FP (even belligerently so) and then changing his story to purchasing it used from "somewhere" after FP very publicly called his lie.
Don't let him get away, its quoted in this thread.
Don't let him get away, its quoted in this thread.
Paypal does not hold the money when issuing a refund. I have been issued refunds twice. Once due to a problem with shipping price and once on a case like this.
I purchased a ets short route style uicp from a member. His thread included fitted pics of the uicp so I figured it was a steal even though it was not an actual ets pipe.i paid for the piece and he immediately changed and said he needed 20 more for shipping so i ended up paying more than what he listed. When I received it all looked good until 40 days later when I tried to fit a tial bov on the pipe. The flange wouldnt allow it to fit because it was too thick and the clamp wouldnt fit around it.
When I asked the previous seller he only wanted to pay for the welding of a new flange on it. When I said no I wanted full refund he stopped responding so I took it upon myself to find him and his place of employment on fb and then opened a dispute on pp. I took photos of his fs ad that had the test fit photos and low and behold he neither had a tial bov mounted to it bc it like mine wouldnt fit and is prob why he sold it. The case was settled in my favor within a few days and he issued refund and I simply could not transfer the funds to my bank until I provided tracking info. As far as the refund showing in pp before shipping the item back it will still show a refund.
I wouldnt send the turbo back until all funds are returned, the scammer should also be required to pay for shipping and original pp fees and also any return fees you may have for the other items purchased to use this turbo. Hopefully a lesson is learned here soon.
I purchased a ets short route style uicp from a member. His thread included fitted pics of the uicp so I figured it was a steal even though it was not an actual ets pipe.i paid for the piece and he immediately changed and said he needed 20 more for shipping so i ended up paying more than what he listed. When I received it all looked good until 40 days later when I tried to fit a tial bov on the pipe. The flange wouldnt allow it to fit because it was too thick and the clamp wouldnt fit around it.
When I asked the previous seller he only wanted to pay for the welding of a new flange on it. When I said no I wanted full refund he stopped responding so I took it upon myself to find him and his place of employment on fb and then opened a dispute on pp. I took photos of his fs ad that had the test fit photos and low and behold he neither had a tial bov mounted to it bc it like mine wouldnt fit and is prob why he sold it. The case was settled in my favor within a few days and he issued refund and I simply could not transfer the funds to my bank until I provided tracking info. As far as the refund showing in pp before shipping the item back it will still show a refund.
I wouldnt send the turbo back until all funds are returned, the scammer should also be required to pay for shipping and original pp fees and also any return fees you may have for the other items purchased to use this turbo. Hopefully a lesson is learned here soon.
paypal most definitely holds the funds as soon as claim is open. if they didnt the wrong doer could withdraw the funds and run. I have 4000 lost to paypal cases won in my favor. it used to be if funds were withdrawn there would be nothing to get back.
The unrealistic expectations are real.
No one with any level of real-world business knowledge or experience is going to issue a refund before they have product back in their hands. Trust is a two-way street, and at this point, 05EVO8 has more than enough reason to believe that you're out to screw him back. Can you blame him for not trusting you when you're reporting him to every entity imaginable, even after he's said he'll take care of you if you just return the turbo?
Seriously, stop dragging this out. He's not going to refund you before he gets the turbo back. Nobody with any common sense would. I feel bad that you got screwed, whether intentionally or not, but I still wouldn't do it if I were in his shoes. The guy is working with you. That's more than 99% of people who don't get what they've paid for online get for a seller response, but you're trying your damnedest to ruin that for yourself.
My .02, as someone who works in customer service and has to deal with people every day who think they should get what they want, how they want it, and at the snap of a finger, regardless of terms they've accepted (like warranty terms, or in your case paypal claim terms) is that you need to come back to reality on this and accept that he needs the turbo back to refund you. You're blinding yourself so entirely with the way you expect him to cater to you that you're not even letting him fix this.
But hey, I'm just a realist who deals with resolving customer issues on the daily. What do I know?
No one with any level of real-world business knowledge or experience is going to issue a refund before they have product back in their hands. Trust is a two-way street, and at this point, 05EVO8 has more than enough reason to believe that you're out to screw him back. Can you blame him for not trusting you when you're reporting him to every entity imaginable, even after he's said he'll take care of you if you just return the turbo?
Seriously, stop dragging this out. He's not going to refund you before he gets the turbo back. Nobody with any common sense would. I feel bad that you got screwed, whether intentionally or not, but I still wouldn't do it if I were in his shoes. The guy is working with you. That's more than 99% of people who don't get what they've paid for online get for a seller response, but you're trying your damnedest to ruin that for yourself.
My .02, as someone who works in customer service and has to deal with people every day who think they should get what they want, how they want it, and at the snap of a finger, regardless of terms they've accepted (like warranty terms, or in your case paypal claim terms) is that you need to come back to reality on this and accept that he needs the turbo back to refund you. You're blinding yourself so entirely with the way you expect him to cater to you that you're not even letting him fix this.
But hey, I'm just a realist who deals with resolving customer issues on the daily. What do I know?
The unrealistic expectations are real.
No one with any level of real-world business knowledge or experience is going to issue a refund before they have product back in their hands. Trust is a two-way street, and at this point, 05EVO8 has more than enough reason to believe that you're out to screw him back. Can you blame him for not trusting you when you're reporting him to every entity imaginable, even after he's said he'll take care of you if you just return the turbo?
Seriously, stop dragging this out. He's not going to refund you before he gets the turbo back. Nobody with any common sense would. I feel bad that you got screwed, whether intentionally or not, but I still wouldn't do it if I were in his shoes. The guy is working with you. That's more than 99% of people who don't get what they've paid for online get for a seller response, but you're trying your damnedest to ruin that for yourself.
My .02, as someone who works in customer service and has to deal with people every day who think they should get what they want, how they want it, and at the snap of a finger, regardless of terms they've accepted (like warranty terms, or in your case paypal claim terms) is that you need to come back to reality on this and accept that he needs the turbo back to refund you. You're blinding yourself so entirely with the way you expect him to cater to you that you're not even letting him fix this.
But hey, I'm just a realist who deals with resolving customer issues on the daily. What do I know?
No one with any level of real-world business knowledge or experience is going to issue a refund before they have product back in their hands. Trust is a two-way street, and at this point, 05EVO8 has more than enough reason to believe that you're out to screw him back. Can you blame him for not trusting you when you're reporting him to every entity imaginable, even after he's said he'll take care of you if you just return the turbo?
Seriously, stop dragging this out. He's not going to refund you before he gets the turbo back. Nobody with any common sense would. I feel bad that you got screwed, whether intentionally or not, but I still wouldn't do it if I were in his shoes. The guy is working with you. That's more than 99% of people who don't get what they've paid for online get for a seller response, but you're trying your damnedest to ruin that for yourself.
My .02, as someone who works in customer service and has to deal with people every day who think they should get what they want, how they want it, and at the snap of a finger, regardless of terms they've accepted (like warranty terms, or in your case paypal claim terms) is that you need to come back to reality on this and accept that he needs the turbo back to refund you. You're blinding yourself so entirely with the way you expect him to cater to you that you're not even letting him fix this.
But hey, I'm just a realist who deals with resolving customer issues on the daily. What do I know?
05EVO8 also 100% misrepresented the item he sold. And only admitted to his lie after FP called him out. That being said, why should the OP trust anything 05EVO8 says?
End of the day, I've been forthright about everything and seller has been deceptive about just about everything. There's no reason I wouldn't be trustworthy--especially with this whole ordeal out in the open here on evom.
Read the entire thread. He wanted it settled through PP and PP is the one that instructed me to file with agencies.
End of the day, I've been forthright about everything and seller has been deceptive about just about everything. There's no reason I wouldn't be trustworthy--especially with this whole ordeal out in the open here on evom.
End of the day, I've been forthright about everything and seller has been deceptive about just about everything. There's no reason I wouldn't be trustworthy--especially with this whole ordeal out in the open here on evom.
When and if paypal makes you send the turbo back to me, I will email you a UPS label on my dime. Just print it and tape it to the box and send it back to me exactly how you received it.
PS. I promise you, if it doesn't come back to me in the condition I sent it to you, there will be huge repercussions.
Thank you.
And then you threaten him as if he's mounted the turbo or used it or smashed it with a hammer or something before sending it back? Not everyone is a child here.
These two quotes are what irk me most about you. This whole thing could have been avoided if you hadn't falsely advertised a product. What are you sorry for? That you were caught?
And then you threaten him as if he's mounted the turbo or used it or smashed it with a hammer or something before sending it back? Not everyone is a child here.
And then you threaten him as if he's mounted the turbo or used it or smashed it with a hammer or something before sending it back? Not everyone is a child here.
Yes exactly. If it's used why should I take it back. It's the buyers responsibility to know what he/she is buying not mine. If I knew it was a JB turbo I would of said so. It was sold to me as a BB turbo. Do you think I like knowing that I was sold a JB turbo? I did everything I could to try and prove it was a BB turbo as that's what it was sold to me as.
I didn't know it was JB.... for the 50th time.
Yes exactly. If it's used why should I take it back. It's the buyers responsibility to know what he/she is buying not mine. If I knew it was a JB turbo I would of said so. It was sold to me as a BB turbo. Do you think I like knowing that I was sold a JB turbo? I did everything I could to try and prove it was a BB turbo as that's what it was sold to me as.
Yes exactly. If it's used why should I take it back. It's the buyers responsibility to know what he/she is buying not mine. If I knew it was a JB turbo I would of said so. It was sold to me as a BB turbo. Do you think I like knowing that I was sold a JB turbo? I did everything I could to try and prove it was a BB turbo as that's what it was sold to me as.
But you said you called FP and verified over the phone that it was ball bearing. Your statements don't add up...
I will refund him. It's not like I'm running away from the problem. I'm trying to fix the situation.
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Really??? Like if you got away with it, it would have been OK? W O W! People like you are the reason why certain people shouldn't reproduce.