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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 02:28 AM
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k1 rods..?

Hello all,

trying to rebuild my engine and my tuner suggested je pistons with k1 rods.

does anyone has hands on experience with k1 rods?

also future plans also include 6262 , will k1 rods handle that?

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Old Nov 5, 2015 | 04:41 AM
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I would run the manley turbo tuff i-beam with a strong Wiseco HD series piston. Then you will be good for any amount of power you want pretty much.

K1 is a good company, but I would go with the turbo tuff. If you need any help PM me.
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Old Nov 6, 2015 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by maikcat
Hello all,

trying to rebuild my engine and my tuner suggested je pistons with k1 rods.

does anyone has hands on experience with k1 rods?

also future plans also include 6262 , will k1 rods handle that?

Thanks

Michael.



Starting from the pistons, I also prefer the Wiseco myself as they are closer to the stock pistons characteristics as far as their thermodynamic expansion and properties is concerned, and if you get the HD version you can run 1000+ hp on them. JE pistons will do the job nevertheless. About the rods, I would use K1 rods up to 650hp-500lbs/f torque at the fly but no more. On the 6262 if you want to push the setup to where it needs to be pushed you need stronger rods and rod bolts. The Manley turbo tuffs is a good suggestion, another good suggestion, and there are more than these two of course, is the Crower rod with their high tensile rod bolts which are stronger than arp2000. These rods are lighter than Manley.









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Old Nov 6, 2015 | 11:41 PM
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thank you both for answering,

at k1technologies site i found this

http://www.k1technologies.com/tech/how-much.html

It is nearly impossible to put a power rating on a connecting rod. Power is produced from the expanding gasses in the combustion chamber pushing down on the piston which in turn pushes down on the connecting rods. While there are certain situations that could lead to failed rods due to compressive loads, rods generally don't fail because of power loads. If rods broke due to power, they would experience severe bending to the point of permanent deformation prior to breaking. When you see a broken connecting rod where there is no seizure of the bearing or failure of the piston/pin/cylinder wall, look closely and you will see that the rod was actually pulled in two. This high tension pulling load on the rod takes place at TDC on the exhaust stroke and is caused by the piston trying to continue up the cylinder walls and through the cylinder head and the crankshaft trying to pull it back down. The heavier the piston, longer the stroke and the higher the RPM, the more pulling load is placed on the rod. When you look at a dyno sheet, you will see that as the RPM is taken past peak power the power falls off. However, most of us have seen engines that have had rods break when over revved. If power broke rods, they would never break due to being over revved. All K1 Technologies connecting rods are specifically designed to handle the high "inertia" loads (pulling a rod apart) and the "compression" loads (pushing the rod together) that are found in modern high performance engines. Use our products with confidence!
if this is true then piston weight must taken in consideration as well...

any comments on this?

Michael.
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Old Nov 7, 2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by maikcat
thank you both for answering,

at k1technologies site i found this

http://www.k1technologies.com/tech/how-much.html



if this is true then piston weight must taken in consideration as well...

any comments on this?

Michael.

Mιχάλης,
Of course you can put hp and torque rating on a connecting rod, otherwise we would all run 10K rpm 1000hp along with the torque that comes with it setups on stock factory blocks. The part on the weight of the piston and expansion/contraction of the rod is true and it also contraticts the comment about non hp rating on a rod, as the adverse effects of the piston weight not just on the rod but on the whole rotating mass is multiplied as the hp and torque is increased. The much higher cylinder pressures and the much higher level of fatigue and stress that is put on all the rotating assembly could be catastrophic to an engine with rods and pistons along with their ancillaries that cannot handle the huge amount of stress 1000hp create.









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Old Nov 8, 2015 | 01:31 AM
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thank you marie for replying,

i am rebuilding my motor because of a failure

am i the luckiest guy on earth or what??

are you aware btw of any similar type failures?

Michael.
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Old Nov 15, 2015 | 06:14 PM
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It is my understanding that rpms and not power is what kills conrods.
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Old Nov 15, 2015 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mrowka
It is my understanding that rpms and not power is what kills conrods.




Let me put it this way, if you rev a bone stock engine to 9K rpm it will not break, but if you bolt on a 3794 hta along with all the other necessary parts to maximize the turbo and setup , the bone stock bottom end will let go.









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Old Nov 15, 2015 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by maikcat
thank you marie for replying,

i am rebuilding my motor because of a failure

am i the luckiest guy on earth or what??

are you aware btw of any similar type failures?

Michael.




This specific failure I have not seen mihali but with what my eyes have seen in the years I've been in the tuning world , this does not surprise me at all.









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Old Nov 16, 2015 | 10:55 AM
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The type of rod design, and the metallurgy in the rod is most important for strength and not breaking.

The rod bolts are RPM dependent, meaning its not smart to rev a ARP 2000 rod bolt past 9500RPM.

Past 9500RPM 625+ rod bolts are recommended and should be a mandatory to keep the engine happy.
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