yea man, thats the issue, no hard feelings... heh, people are so quick to jump sides or get their feelings hurt. ooooooh evo!
btw I'd love to see that chart.

 

im having trouble posting it, it seems the file is too large its 1.51 you can only post 100. or smaller. So i gotta find a way but for now i will fax over the sheets to al maybe he can post them.

 

just open it in Paint and resize it (Image - Stretch/Skew) and make it like 50%... and make sure to save it as jpeg and it'll be small enough for sure.

 

203-328-3738 - be sure to put Atten Al on the fax - thanks

 

Things happen, things can go wrong etc. We are dealing with cars and people here.

For the guy in Texas that picked up 50 whp from switching to TT tune it is extremely hard to believe. I am not calling you a liar in anyway as I am sure from the first time you dyno'd to the second time there was that much difference. I would be willing to bet that something else changed, as a matter of fact I would bet my left nut on it. Maybe an intercooler pipe got tightened, different manufacture of fuel (Sunoco one time, BP another, Quickie Mart another) or different octane. It is hard to compare one tune to another if you don't run the exact same fuel from the exact same gas station every single day and you then better hope that gas station is actually filling their 94 ocatne tanks with some real 94 each time. Too many variables.

One thing I know for sure, Al CAN tune EVO's. Yes, him and I are friends, but he probably wouldn't be if he didn't know how to tune. Quite honestly we became friends through tuning and he has proven to me over the last 2 years to not only be competitent but to also be a very passionate and honest guy, this makes us very similar people.

So, taking into consideration that I know that Al can tune an EVO I am telling all of you that there is NO way that there was 50 whp left in his tune compared to what Mark did for you. It just is NOT possible. There is only so much you can do with pump gas, the AFR's can only get so lean and stay together and the timing can only get so high. There is not that much of a margin left.

Now if you had some complete idiot tune your car and then had Mark tune it I would believe it. In this case or in any case of one qualified guy tuning and then having another one tune it again, it is just not possible.

Perfect example is my recent dyno testing with the AEM EMS in the car with the MAF sensor. After probably 50 runs of tuning I had a decent number. Al comes in and flashes the car, two more adjustments and the power level is the same as what I could muster up with the EMS and 50 pulls. I wouldn't suggest the EMS for anyone at this point unless you had quite a bit done to the car or needed the datalogging for some reason. The HP increase is just not worth the expense. Converting the car to speed density is another story and there is some power to be had buy loosing the MAS. I am getting off subject now, sorry.

Point is if you have 2 good tuners tune an EVO the numbers should be somewhat similar. 50whp tells me something else was going on.

David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com

 

When I switched from ****flash to Turbo Trix Flash. The only thing I added in mods were a MBC. HP change was ****flash 276.17 to Turbo Trix 294.91 Hp No flames ingnited but the #s tell the facts.

 

You added a boost controller and were able to hold boost till redline instead of tapering off. I would say that would be the cause of your extra 18whp and not so much the tune.

 

you love talking **** dont you. instead of evotexas it should be turbo trix b!tch!

 

Well I must say I concur with 4g63 icon Dave Buschur. Mark has experience with evos as does Al. I cannot see this much difference in a tune at that level. Something seems to be different, could it be boost that was different? 50HP is alot on a 300hp car.

Sean

 

you are an a$$

 

Don't think so. The car was dynoed with the previous flash with mbc installed first to see where the tune was, then reflashed with a upgraded tune.

 

Hey guys - I am a guy who takes a LOT of pride in what I do, and I really enjoy my job of tuning evos. I live, sleep and **** evos 7 days a week, sometimes for 16 hours a day for days at a time. I have been all over the USA and back again dozens of times tuning every kind of evo you could imagine from road racers to rally cars. I am very careful and accurate with every tune I sell and in the case of Evotexas I drove and data logged his base flash personally and it was running fine when I installed it. It really bothers me to be reading these kind of constant and repetative posts by Evotexas claiming my product is crap and another one makes so much more power becuase I know the claims are false.

Evotexas's posts start to make me wonder what is behind all of this. I know there is no way that my flash can leave 50 whp on the table - its impossible. In reality the differnce between my reflash and the others out there is at most 15 whp between one to the other - WITH COMPRABLE mods. I have been very annoyed with this claim of Evotexas about this so called "50 whp" which he has been pushing now for months and months over and over again. I can only assume that he is out to try and discredit my product and promote the dyno days that he is organizing with competing vendors.

I finally have found the time to go back and search through some of his past assertions and try and probe deeply into his dyno tales and see where this missing whp is comming from.

I had to go through every post he made to follow his whp progression and figure out exactly what he has been claiming as in many cases his claims are contradictory and they change from day to day.

Mods - cat back exhuast, Hallman RX and walbro 255 lph pump with base Dyno Flash. I would have estimated his car at about 275 whp (dyno jet) at that time when I test drove it - just an estimate. This is typical with that level of mods and a stock down pipe and intake box.

MODS were - Megan Racing DP
Cat Delete
Custom Catback
HKS RS Intake
Hallman MBC
Walbro Fuel Pump
TurboTrix ECU Flash

Well - MORE mods - in this case a down pipe and intake and he is making an extra 20 or so whp - NOT all that surpizing. Later - we will read that at the time he was jacking up his boost higher than it should have been and had his timing pulling - detonation - to make this number. This could be a reason why the dyno sheet was never posted as it prob did not look very good.

BTW , Evotexas - did you know that it is customary for my customers to make far in excess of 292 whp with those mods on the Dyno Flash in fact 300 - 305 whp is not uncommon - unlike yourself who has never even posted one dyno sheet there are literally dozens upon dozens of my customers dyno sheets posted on these forums;

Here is a dyno verified example of what I am talking about with comprable mods



For further analysis of what kind of results we make with your then level of mods you can read about case study # 10 here - https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=105468

Interesting that you neglect to mention the race gas which we find out about later . . . .

Interesting how you fabricate the Dyno Flash whp numbers from your "projections" and yet then you go on to post them over and over again for several months as if they were from a real dyno sheet



Evotexas - on September 23, 2004 you were making "over 300 whp" with the TT flash - but a day later you were making eaxctly "292 whp" - running a little bit rich - WHICH was it ? Or can you even remember considering that, ironically, there are no dyno sheets for any of your pulls.


So Evotexas it seems that your Dyno Flashed whp estimate is not an actual dyno number but rather a "estimate" that you fabricated based upon how much your friend pulled you on the highway. Maybe this can explain why you have no dyno sheet to back up your claims?

This was hardly accurate - was it - not the same exact bolt ons at all . . . . So - Evotexas what you are doing here is comparing a LOW BALL estimate that you derived from your street racing experiments of the power of my base flash with a stock intake and down pipe on pump gas and then compareing it to your car after a full 3" exhuast and a HKS RS intake were added on race gas - this seems hardly fair or honest to me.

WHERE are all the dyno sheets of all these pulls ?

WHY would you run MORE BOOST than "the tune called for" - were you trying to prove a point ? Did you also jack up the boost when you tested my dyno flash tune with your deadly acurate who pulled whom on the street testing method to concoct your 255 whp estimate ?

So - what you are telling me is that you were "pulling timing" in my dictonary - DETONATING on race gas. From my experience you really have to be PUSHING the tune to reach the point of detonation of race fuel. That means you are hardly running a safe tune or one that is making a good comparision to my through the mail flash which you stated above ran very "smooth" in your car and which was tuned for pump gas.

In conclusion - when you make a blanket statement that you have made "X" amount of whp more with one product over another product I would expect you to at least have a DYNO SHEET or quantifyable form of measurement to back you up.

Instead you have distorted the facts by making unfair comparisions between my flash and another flash with different modifcation levels on your car which accounted for the majority of the power gains, different fuel and a different boost level.

I think everyone can agree that to make any rational comparision between tunes you have to run the same boost, the same fuel and the same mods? Do you disagree with this concept?

I think you should be ashamed of your blatant, misleading and unfair slanderization of my product in an attempt to promote a competeing procuct. Especially when you are failing to disclose that you have recieved free tuning services from the competing tuner.

I would epect that inteligent and educated readers would look for a DYNO SHEET to verify these kind of claims before they accept them at face value.

Finally - when you want to compare two tuning products in an inteligent and FAIR manner - we use a dyno. This is what a comparision looks like



You can read all about how we test our tunes against other tuners and see the actual dyno sheets in the so called case study threads on the dyno flash forum.

It amazes me that to this date you still have not posed any dyno sheets to support your claims - - but then again maybe the fact that you have somehow lost all dyno evidence of your claims is not all that suprizing after all. Its easy to throw numbers about in an attempt to drum up some business for your pals. Obviously when there is no truth or substance to your claims there will be no back up documentation.

As an example of how you compare tunes - here is on of one of my exactingly measured case studies for those too lazy to do a search https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=101126&page=1


I am tired of this orchastrsted anti dyno flash marketing smear campaign where flase whp claims are thrown about in an attenpt to undermine and discredit all the hard work I am doing every day to make a good product. I find it very sad that some people are ignorant enough to accept these kind of claims at face value without further documentation or verification.

If you dont have a dyno sheet or time slip your fantasy claims have no merit in my book nor should any other rational person belive your claims.

The real life evidence at the race track with 1/4 mile times achived by my customers who are the fastest in the US with reflashes contradicts the idotoic whp estimates that thsi gentleman is trying to make

Thanks for anyone who has taken the time to read this garbage

See you on the dyno or track - talk is cheap

 

Nice post Al.

 

Ever notice how noone complains about dyno settings when the numbers read too high?

 

I, for one, can't wait for my base dynoflash, especially since the "butt dyno" says my car is slow again...and after the flash I will be dynoing on the same Mustang dyno I did for my baseline...I'll have a tbe w/ catdel and the baseflash...then we can paint a pretty picture