PRUVEN PERFORMANCE Evolution IX
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Facts:
1. English is probably Sharkbite's second language: he seems to be struggling with accurate wording.
2. Sharkbite is a newbie to both this forum and to Evos: this is causing him to mix up Al with Pruven.
3. His car was having serious problems BEFORE he went to the dealer, so his issue is most likely NOT the dealership's fault. However, that doesn't mean it is Al's fault either.
Questions needing to be answered:
1. What is actually wrong with Sharkbite's car.
2. Was there a communication problem between Al and Sharkbite about the octane of the fuel in the tank. He says it was 93, Al apparently posted that it was 100??
3. How is Sharkbite's car at Pruven? Pruven is in Milford, CT. which is like 600 miles to the north of Florida.
4. What kind of dyno reads 360whp on a stock Evo 9 with just a reflash? I'm getting sick of whacked out dynos!
1. English is probably Sharkbite's second language: he seems to be struggling with accurate wording.
2. Sharkbite is a newbie to both this forum and to Evos: this is causing him to mix up Al with Pruven.
3. His car was having serious problems BEFORE he went to the dealer, so his issue is most likely NOT the dealership's fault. However, that doesn't mean it is Al's fault either.
Questions needing to be answered:
1. What is actually wrong with Sharkbite's car.
2. Was there a communication problem between Al and Sharkbite about the octane of the fuel in the tank. He says it was 93, Al apparently posted that it was 100??
3. How is Sharkbite's car at Pruven? Pruven is in Milford, CT. which is like 600 miles to the north of Florida.
4. What kind of dyno reads 360whp on a stock Evo 9 with just a reflash? I'm getting sick of whacked out dynos!
The car was tuned with pump gas - I am not aware of this car having race gas in it
I tuned another evo - a red one with 100 octane - a totally seperate car
WOW, its a shame that this guy came on here trying to ruin AL and Pruvens good name. It pains me that we have these type of people posting in our forum. I guess the truth is out. I wouldnt fix his car after he refused to listen and then turned around and tries to ruin my name. AL and Pruven, I commend you for continuing to work on his car. Truly class acts!
And so the truth comes out. All of this, 4 pages worth of nonsense, and he was running in upwards of 25 lbs of boost...untuned no less! And then did not know which way to turn the mbc? Why would you mod your car and not know how to operate that mod? He could have easily turned the boost UP some more! This should never have reached the boards. He should have handled this with Al or whomever privately. Big ups to Al for even working with him because it sounds like it's all his fault for not handling his modifications properly. Didn't even have a boost gauge? That's crazy....
Originally Posted by NoTec
WOW, its a shame that this guy came on here trying to ruin AL and Pruvens good name. It pains me that we have these type of people posting in our forum. I guess the truth is out. I wouldnt fix his car after he refused to listen and then turned around and tries to ruin my name. AL and Pruven, I commend you for continuing to work on his car. Truly class acts!
I think he was just trying to share his story
I believe he is just very frustrated and he is just sharing his experience
MY ONLY problem with what he posted is that it was not clear about what had happened
Honestly - this case is a serious example of customer neglect and abuse - this is what can happen if you over boost your car without a tune in it
It is good that others read this saga - be careful and get yor cars properly tuned
I am sorry that Steve's introduction to evos was very frustrating - but after pruven is done working thier majic on his engine he will be back better than ever - and hopefully having learned a costly lesson
Warrtalon & Al, I'm with you on this one. I deleted the #2 in my post. However, didn't you think something may have been too aggressive on the tune when it made those insane #s?
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From: Milford, CT
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Facts:
1. English is probably Sharkbite's second language: he seems to be struggling with accurate wording.
2. Sharkbite is a newbie to both this forum and to Evos: this is causing him to mix up Al with Pruven.
3. His car was having serious problems BEFORE he went to the dealer, so his issue is most likely NOT the dealership's fault. However, that doesn't mean it is Al's fault either.
Questions needing to be answered:
1. What is actually wrong with Sharkbite's car.
2. Was there a communication problem between Al and Sharkbite about the octane of the fuel in the tank. He says it was 93, Al apparently posted that it was 100??
3. How is Sharkbite's car at Pruven? Pruven is in Milford, CT. which is like 600 miles to the north of Florida.
4. What kind of dyno reads 360whp on a stock Evo 9 with just a reflash? I'm getting sick of whacked out dynos!
1. English is probably Sharkbite's second language: he seems to be struggling with accurate wording.
2. Sharkbite is a newbie to both this forum and to Evos: this is causing him to mix up Al with Pruven.
3. His car was having serious problems BEFORE he went to the dealer, so his issue is most likely NOT the dealership's fault. However, that doesn't mean it is Al's fault either.
Questions needing to be answered:
1. What is actually wrong with Sharkbite's car.
2. Was there a communication problem between Al and Sharkbite about the octane of the fuel in the tank. He says it was 93, Al apparently posted that it was 100??
3. How is Sharkbite's car at Pruven? Pruven is in Milford, CT. which is like 600 miles to the north of Florida.
4. What kind of dyno reads 360whp on a stock Evo 9 with just a reflash? I'm getting sick of whacked out dynos!
I will try to answer some of your questions. We are diagnosing the car further as we speak. The compression is low and is boiling over coolant. To find the exact damage we will be pulling apart the motor shortly.
Our AWD dynojet dyno reads those kind of numbers. We have no control of the parameters set on the dyno. A little off topic, but we have had our dyno for 7 years with no changes to the program. There is no way to manipulate the numbers for better results on a Dynojet as you can on a Mustang dyno , Dyna-pack, Dyno-dynamics, etc.. All those dynos require user inputs to calculate HP and can be manipulated in favor of high hosepower numbers. Not the Dynojet. If a car makes 50 hp on a Dyno jet, then that what it makes. If it makes 700, then that what it makes. The only way I can stand corrected is if they changed the software for the dynojet that allows you to change those inputs ( roller weight, final drive, etc..) Which I'm practically 100% they haven't.
I think the customer was here visiting with his Evo from Florida
Originally Posted by makaveli_31
so....where is his stock turbo?
Smoggie, yeah, I don't know about that. Hopefully, Al will shed some light on that part. 360whp on just an intake and pump gas...scary.
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From: Istanbul
a quick question about boost control w/t Ecutek
Do you need a MBC with the Ecutek? I thought EVO 9 ECU tuned w/t Ecutek would be able to control boost
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
It is most regretable to be in a situation like this one to have to defend myself and contradict my customer - Steve is a good guy or so i thought and it is very disappointing for me to have to spend my time to explain all of this in a public manner
First of all - the begining - he came in for a Ecutek Tune with ONLY HKS intake and MBC
He had no boost gauge - so we set the boost with the shop mbc
I told he HE NEEDS A GAUGE and I wanted to lower his boost to 18 psi till he could get a guage - he insisted to keep it at 20 - even without the gauge as he said he was getting some parts in a few days
A few days leter he goes to ANOTHER shop to get a full turbo back exhuast added - he is doing hole shots in front of the shop on the two step and the car is not running right
Somehow the ecu coil driver went bad and he is down 2 cyls
I arranged to have a new ecu put in under warranty - I am not responsible - but wanted to do the right thing by the customer as the Ecutek IX flash is a new product
Customer was told - bring car ASAP with warranty paperwork to recieve a new ECTUTEK license and a retune on the dyno for the new exhasust - FREE of charge
Customer did not come back
ONE week later - get a cal from customer - he finaly installed the boost gauge and he is hitting 25 psi of boost and fuel cut
TURN DOWN YOUR BOOST - you NEED A RETUNE - your car is NOT TUNED
"Which way do I turn it AL ?"
DOWN - follow the arrorow - counter clockwise - 19 psi of boost till you get tuned
Three days later - another call - my heat does not work
I diagnosed it as a blown head gasket
DONT DRIVE IT - check the coolant level in the radiator - call me back immeditaley
NO RETURN CALL
Next Day - "I was driving and my engine locked up"
- I am sorry guys - bt this customer was most unreasonable and uncareful. He did not follow any directions and took a lot of risks with his investement.
It is sad to see him with a blown head gaslet and other possible problems but it is alao sad to see him now making a post like this on the internet.
WE was warned every step of the way and advised what to do - he never listened to my advice - raced the car on high boost with no boost gauge and no tune in his ecu. Not a good idea.
First of all - the begining - he came in for a Ecutek Tune with ONLY HKS intake and MBC
He had no boost gauge - so we set the boost with the shop mbc
I told he HE NEEDS A GAUGE and I wanted to lower his boost to 18 psi till he could get a guage - he insisted to keep it at 20 - even without the gauge as he said he was getting some parts in a few days
A few days leter he goes to ANOTHER shop to get a full turbo back exhuast added - he is doing hole shots in front of the shop on the two step and the car is not running right
Somehow the ecu coil driver went bad and he is down 2 cyls
I arranged to have a new ecu put in under warranty - I am not responsible - but wanted to do the right thing by the customer as the Ecutek IX flash is a new product
Customer was told - bring car ASAP with warranty paperwork to recieve a new ECTUTEK license and a retune on the dyno for the new exhasust - FREE of charge
Customer did not come back
ONE week later - get a cal from customer - he finaly installed the boost gauge and he is hitting 25 psi of boost and fuel cut
TURN DOWN YOUR BOOST - you NEED A RETUNE - your car is NOT TUNED
"Which way do I turn it AL ?"
DOWN - follow the arrorow - counter clockwise - 19 psi of boost till you get tuned
Three days later - another call - my heat does not work
I diagnosed it as a blown head gasket
DONT DRIVE IT - check the coolant level in the radiator - call me back immeditaley
NO RETURN CALL
Next Day - "I was driving and my engine locked up"
- I am sorry guys - bt this customer was most unreasonable and uncareful. He did not follow any directions and took a lot of risks with his investement.
It is sad to see him with a blown head gaslet and other possible problems but it is alao sad to see him now making a post like this on the internet.
WE was warned every step of the way and advised what to do - he never listened to my advice - raced the car on high boost with no boost gauge and no tune in his ecu. Not a good idea.
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Warrtalon & Al, I'm with you on this one. I deleted the #2 in my post. However, didn't you think something may have been too aggressive on the tune when it made those insane #s?
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
WHAT insane numbers ?
Btw, he has since edited several of his posts, but one of them on the first page still says 360whp.
