Minimum cost to outrun a 2007 Corvette Z06?
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Is everyone forgetting about the Noble M400? 
The Noble will outhandle a Z06. 
I dunno what their 1/4 times are, but I do know they are very quick cars. I'm pretty sure they do 0-60 in under 4.
The Noble will outhandle a Z06. I dunno what their 1/4 times are, but I do know they are very quick cars. I'm pretty sure they do 0-60 in under 4.
Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
Is everyone forgetting about the Noble M400? The Noble will outhandle a Z06. I dunno what their 1/4 times are, but I do know they are very quick cars. I'm pretty sure they do 0-60 in under 4.
The Noble will outhandle a Z06. I dunno what their 1/4 times are, but I do know they are very quick cars. I'm pretty sure they do 0-60 in under 4.
Originally Posted by Green_Goblin
Hey SKILMATIC,
I'm not trying to start ****, but if 9 out of 10 people disagree with you...
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I'm not trying to start ****, but if 9 out of 10 people disagree with you...
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No its cool bud. Well I am use to it by now cause thats how forums are. One person sees someone ganging up on them whethor they are right or not they jump in too. But remember this just because you have alot fo people on one side it doesnt make them automatically right.
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well i dunno if you can hold a v8 beyond 150mph with the 4g63
the thing is our car is not build for top speed
all you need is spend money for some bolt on power and a good suspension tune
along with a ecu tune to unleash the hidden power
you should be able to dwag the vette at a track event
the thing is our car is not build for top speed
all you need is spend money for some bolt on power and a good suspension tune
along with a ecu tune to unleash the hidden power
you should be able to dwag the vette at a track event
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Originally Posted by -=SPECTRE=-
Now we're comparing kit cars? A well put together Noble costs over $80,000.
Regardless, you can't deny its performance. Period. The same goes for the Ultima GTR.
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Originally Posted by 9RME
I think you'll see in the "time attack" (presumably some kind of fastest lap ontheir own) near the end of the vid that the Lambo did a stunning 1"04'78, the Z-Tune 1"05'10m the Z06 1"06'02 and the S204 1"07' dead (it's race time was better, 1"06'80 or something).
So, the S204 is kindda close and it's 320hp from the factory. The thing to remember here is it's Tsukuba which is rather short and twisty, not really where a GT type car would shine and from the vid, it is fairly clear the Z06 and others didn't really get to stretch their legs. Had they taken it to say Suzuka or Fuji I'm sure those 3 would leave the S204 for dead on the long straights and fast corners. So it's really horses for courses.
To beat a Z06 in an evo is possible but not if you're concerned about your budget. I mean, we're talking about 2.0L vs. 7.0L here with practically the same weight (the evo is probably a little heavier). It won't be too difficult to get the same peak power (~500whp) but your problem here is the powerband. With a smaller capacity and turbocharging, your powerband is going to be narrower than the Z06. I mean, the Z06 makes ~380ftlbs from 2000rpm and revs all the way to 7,000rpm [ http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Chevro...phs-10362.html ] and that's pretty crazy. If you want to beat one, it's not just about the peak figure, you have to be making more torque (and thus power) on average at least over the rev range you're going to use. That would be hard. Possible, but hard. The thing you've got to think about is whether or not it's worth the hassle. In the right circumstances, perhaps slightly rare, a modded evo will beat a Z06. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of car to your evo. Why waste money on making your evo something it's really not meant to be?
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Originally Posted by x838nwy
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To beat a Z06 in an evo is possible but not if you're concerned about your budget. I mean, we're talking about 2.0L vs. 7.0L here with practically the same weight (the evo is probably a little heavier). It won't be too difficult to get the same peak power (~500whp) but your problem here is the powerband. With a smaller capacity and turbocharging, your powerband is going to be narrower than the Z06. I mean, the Z06 makes ~380ftlbs from 2000rpm and revs all the way to 7,000rpm [ http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Chevro...phs-10362.html ] and that's pretty crazy. If you want to beat one, it's not just about the peak figure, you have to be making more torque (and thus power) on average at least over the rev range you're going to use. That would be hard. Possible, but hard. The thing you've got to think about is whether or not it's worth the hassle. In the right circumstances, perhaps slightly rare, a modded evo will beat a Z06. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of car to your evo. Why waste money on making your evo something it's really not meant to be?
my $0.02...
To beat a Z06 in an evo is possible but not if you're concerned about your budget. I mean, we're talking about 2.0L vs. 7.0L here with practically the same weight (the evo is probably a little heavier). It won't be too difficult to get the same peak power (~500whp) but your problem here is the powerband. With a smaller capacity and turbocharging, your powerband is going to be narrower than the Z06. I mean, the Z06 makes ~380ftlbs from 2000rpm and revs all the way to 7,000rpm [ http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Chevro...phs-10362.html ] and that's pretty crazy. If you want to beat one, it's not just about the peak figure, you have to be making more torque (and thus power) on average at least over the rev range you're going to use. That would be hard. Possible, but hard. The thing you've got to think about is whether or not it's worth the hassle. In the right circumstances, perhaps slightly rare, a modded evo will beat a Z06. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of car to your evo. Why waste money on making your evo something it's really not meant to be?
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That pretty much sums the whole thing up... I'm with you 100%.
True but I made close to 380tq on my pump map. On my race map I made over 450tq and thats only on 30psi because the 9 doesnt yet have a 1000cc map. Once I bump it up another 5psi I will have over 600whp and then when I add the cams just forget about it.
My setup was done for less than 15grand. And 30grand for the car so 45grand total. I think the new z is going for what? like at least 70? Hell I have another 25grand to go. And if I had that kind of a budget I could possibly have a 1000whp evo with a nice suspension setup. Now of course that kind of an evo is not practical but again this discussion and the op had no care of practicality. The question was just how much would it cost to get an evo faster than the z. Well that question has been asnwered and now I just broke it down for you fellas in cost comparison. You paid 70grand for the z which has 380tq and 500hp or you could buy a 30k evo and put another 40k into it and the z will go home a loser everyday anyday thats if the evo doesnt brake. When it comes down to it theres your comparison right there.
Although I have to say the z looks so dang sexy. It wins in that category no question about it.
My setup was done for less than 15grand. And 30grand for the car so 45grand total. I think the new z is going for what? like at least 70? Hell I have another 25grand to go. And if I had that kind of a budget I could possibly have a 1000whp evo with a nice suspension setup. Now of course that kind of an evo is not practical but again this discussion and the op had no care of practicality. The question was just how much would it cost to get an evo faster than the z. Well that question has been asnwered and now I just broke it down for you fellas in cost comparison. You paid 70grand for the z which has 380tq and 500hp or you could buy a 30k evo and put another 40k into it and the z will go home a loser everyday anyday thats if the evo doesnt brake. When it comes down to it theres your comparison right there.
Although I have to say the z looks so dang sexy. It wins in that category no question about it.
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Is that 380tq from 2k rpm? I'm not doubting your numbers just curious. The Z06 is such a formidable car partly because of its powerband. It makes more torque there than most evos make peak and it keeps at it (and some more) till 7k. In most cases, evo's are useful form 5k up to around 7k and at least that means more gear changes (interruptions in the power delivery) and generally lower top speed.
As I said, it's not impossible but IMO 15k is a lot of money to put into a 30k car. Granted, it's not 70k like for the Z but at the end of the day in most cases at such performance levels things are not going to last very long, simply they're not designed to take that sort of power.
As I said, it's not impossible but IMO 15k is a lot of money to put into a 30k car. Granted, it's not 70k like for the Z but at the end of the day in most cases at such performance levels things are not going to last very long, simply they're not designed to take that sort of power.
Originally Posted by x838nwy
Well, actually an S204. (the 204 being based on the 06 model and 203 being based on the previous one, the 204 has something like 5Nm more peak torque but fwiw, identical).
I think you'll see in the "time attack" (presumably some kind of fastest lap ontheir own) near the end of the vid that the Lambo did a stunning 1"04'78, the Z-Tune 1"05'10m the Z06 1"06'02 and the S204 1"07' dead (it's race time was better, 1"06'80 or something).
So, the S204 is kindda close and it's 320hp from the factory. The thing to remember here is it's Tsukuba which is rather short and twisty, not really where a GT type car would shine and from the vid, it is fairly clear the Z06 and others didn't really get to stretch their legs. Had they taken it to say Suzuka or Fuji I'm sure those 3 would leave the S204 for dead on the long straights and fast corners. So it's really horses for courses.
To beat a Z06 in an evo is possible but not if you're concerned about your budget. I mean, we're talking about 2.0L vs. 7.0L here with practically the same weight (the evo is probably a little heavier). It won't be too difficult to get the same peak power (~500whp) but your problem here is the powerband. With a smaller capacity and turbocharging, your powerband is going to be narrower than the Z06. I mean, the Z06 makes ~380ftlbs from 2000rpm and revs all the way to 7,000rpm [ http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Chevro...phs-10362.html ] and that's pretty crazy. If you want to beat one, it's not just about the peak figure, you have to be making more torque (and thus power) on average at least over the rev range you're going to use. That would be hard. Possible, but hard. The thing you've got to think about is whether or not it's worth the hassle. In the right circumstances, perhaps slightly rare, a modded evo will beat a Z06. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of car to your evo. Why waste money on making your evo something it's really not meant to be?
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I think you'll see in the "time attack" (presumably some kind of fastest lap ontheir own) near the end of the vid that the Lambo did a stunning 1"04'78, the Z-Tune 1"05'10m the Z06 1"06'02 and the S204 1"07' dead (it's race time was better, 1"06'80 or something).
So, the S204 is kindda close and it's 320hp from the factory. The thing to remember here is it's Tsukuba which is rather short and twisty, not really where a GT type car would shine and from the vid, it is fairly clear the Z06 and others didn't really get to stretch their legs. Had they taken it to say Suzuka or Fuji I'm sure those 3 would leave the S204 for dead on the long straights and fast corners. So it's really horses for courses.
To beat a Z06 in an evo is possible but not if you're concerned about your budget. I mean, we're talking about 2.0L vs. 7.0L here with practically the same weight (the evo is probably a little heavier). It won't be too difficult to get the same peak power (~500whp) but your problem here is the powerband. With a smaller capacity and turbocharging, your powerband is going to be narrower than the Z06. I mean, the Z06 makes ~380ftlbs from 2000rpm and revs all the way to 7,000rpm [ http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Chevro...phs-10362.html ] and that's pretty crazy. If you want to beat one, it's not just about the peak figure, you have to be making more torque (and thus power) on average at least over the rev range you're going to use. That would be hard. Possible, but hard. The thing you've got to think about is whether or not it's worth the hassle. In the right circumstances, perhaps slightly rare, a modded evo will beat a Z06. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of car to your evo. Why waste money on making your evo something it's really not meant to be?
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skillmatic, he's talking about the usability of the powerband, not just peak whp/wtq figures.
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Originally Posted by x838nwy
Well, actually an S204. (the 204 being based on the 06 model and 203 being based on the previous one, the 204 has something like 5Nm more peak torque but fwiw, identical).
I think you'll see in the "time attack" (presumably some kind of fastest lap ontheir own) near the end of the vid that the Lambo did a stunning 1"04'78, the Z-Tune 1"05'10m the Z06 1"06'02 and the S204 1"07' dead (it's race time was better, 1"06'80 or something).
So, the S204 is kindda close and it's 320hp from the factory. The thing to remember here is it's Tsukuba which is rather short and twisty, not really where a GT type car would shine and from the vid, it is fairly clear the Z06 and others didn't really get to stretch their legs. Had they taken it to say Suzuka or Fuji I'm sure those 3 would leave the S204 for dead on the long straights and fast corners. So it's really horses for courses.
To beat a Z06 in an evo is possible but not if you're concerned about your budget. I mean, we're talking about 2.0L vs. 7.0L here with practically the same weight (the evo is probably a little heavier). It won't be too difficult to get the same peak power (~500whp) but your problem here is the powerband. With a smaller capacity and turbocharging, your powerband is going to be narrower than the Z06. I mean, the Z06 makes ~380ftlbs from 2000rpm and revs all the way to 7,000rpm [ http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Chevro...phs-10362.html ] and that's pretty crazy. If you want to beat one, it's not just about the peak figure, you have to be making more torque (and thus power) on average at least over the rev range you're going to use. That would be hard. Possible, but hard. The thing you've got to think about is whether or not it's worth the hassle. In the right circumstances, perhaps slightly rare, a modded evo will beat a Z06. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of car to your evo. Why waste money on making your evo something it's really not meant to be?
my $0.02...
I think you'll see in the "time attack" (presumably some kind of fastest lap ontheir own) near the end of the vid that the Lambo did a stunning 1"04'78, the Z-Tune 1"05'10m the Z06 1"06'02 and the S204 1"07' dead (it's race time was better, 1"06'80 or something).
So, the S204 is kindda close and it's 320hp from the factory. The thing to remember here is it's Tsukuba which is rather short and twisty, not really where a GT type car would shine and from the vid, it is fairly clear the Z06 and others didn't really get to stretch their legs. Had they taken it to say Suzuka or Fuji I'm sure those 3 would leave the S204 for dead on the long straights and fast corners. So it's really horses for courses.
To beat a Z06 in an evo is possible but not if you're concerned about your budget. I mean, we're talking about 2.0L vs. 7.0L here with practically the same weight (the evo is probably a little heavier). It won't be too difficult to get the same peak power (~500whp) but your problem here is the powerband. With a smaller capacity and turbocharging, your powerband is going to be narrower than the Z06. I mean, the Z06 makes ~380ftlbs from 2000rpm and revs all the way to 7,000rpm [ http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Chevro...phs-10362.html ] and that's pretty crazy. If you want to beat one, it's not just about the peak figure, you have to be making more torque (and thus power) on average at least over the rev range you're going to use. That would be hard. Possible, but hard. The thing you've got to think about is whether or not it's worth the hassle. In the right circumstances, perhaps slightly rare, a modded evo will beat a Z06. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of car to your evo. Why waste money on making your evo something it's really not meant to be?
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You will stand a better chance with Supra and GTR.Supa cand do 600whp with long powerband.