Evo to 335i
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I drove one a couple of weeks ago and I have to say it was a nice car. The gearbox is as always great on a BMW and thats the one thing that the Evo does not! It's just OK.
Now I said the word nice in my driving experience with the 335. Everything was nice. JUST NICE> No Wow factor at all. Would I buy it! No. If I wanted a BMW I would wait for the M-3.
Just my 2 cents.
BTW I had two other die hard Evo guys with me ont he test drive and one scared sales person as I put it threw it''s paces. They all thought the same thing a well built very NICE car.
Now I said the word nice in my driving experience with the 335. Everything was nice. JUST NICE> No Wow factor at all. Would I buy it! No. If I wanted a BMW I would wait for the M-3.
Just my 2 cents.
BTW I had two other die hard Evo guys with me ont he test drive and one scared sales person as I put it threw it''s paces. They all thought the same thing a well built very NICE car.
Last edited by WhtEvo05; Nov 21, 2006 at 02:16 PM.
Never, those thing cost a boat load to maintain and the aftermarket support is not there yet. + No AWD, + BMW's have electrical problems to no end. My friend works for BMW and they have a lease deal if you work for them. So he pays 300 a month for all 3 series cars insurance included. He's always bringing them in for service and electrical issues.
Plus I hate BMW's so no you can keep that POS. If I want Luxury down the road I'd go Acura or Lexus
Plus I hate BMW's so no you can keep that POS. If I want Luxury down the road I'd go Acura or Lexus
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A classic sports car? The 335i is a cross over sports sedan (Yes, I know there is a coupe option, but it's light years away from an M3. WOuld you call a 325 a sports car simply because it has 2 doors?). It is in no way a "classic sports car." Want a new car that embodies a classic sports car? Get an M Roadster.
The 335i will be quick on the highway, very luxurious and fairly easy to maintain while under warranty/service plan.
However, it handles like garbage, is a new model year (will undoubtedly have issues, some of which have already been discovered), is heavy as crap and is not as easy to mod as the internet racers would have you believe. Yes, the crank HP is underquoted by BMW. Yes, a chip gets a lot of power out of the cars. But, the engine itself is not made for heavy duty turbos. It's a low compression engine that's meant to have two small turbos. Expect o pay major dollars to add new turbos to the car.
Take a similar engine, the 2.7 biturbo engine found in the B5 (2000-2002) Audi S4. It costs between 5k and 8k just for the turbo kits, which doesn't account for exhaust, intercooler and other minor support pieces that add up on a European car. Installed, you're looking at over 10k (and this doesn't take into account new suspension, brakes, etc. that should be upgraded when drastically boosting power). Obviously the 335i is a slightly better starting platform, but don't expect these cars to be cheap or easy to tune.
The 335i will be quick on the highway, very luxurious and fairly easy to maintain while under warranty/service plan.
However, it handles like garbage, is a new model year (will undoubtedly have issues, some of which have already been discovered), is heavy as crap and is not as easy to mod as the internet racers would have you believe. Yes, the crank HP is underquoted by BMW. Yes, a chip gets a lot of power out of the cars. But, the engine itself is not made for heavy duty turbos. It's a low compression engine that's meant to have two small turbos. Expect o pay major dollars to add new turbos to the car.
Take a similar engine, the 2.7 biturbo engine found in the B5 (2000-2002) Audi S4. It costs between 5k and 8k just for the turbo kits, which doesn't account for exhaust, intercooler and other minor support pieces that add up on a European car. Installed, you're looking at over 10k (and this doesn't take into account new suspension, brakes, etc. that should be upgraded when drastically boosting power). Obviously the 335i is a slightly better starting platform, but don't expect these cars to be cheap or easy to tune.
Last edited by doccommando; Nov 21, 2006 at 02:55 PM.
for those who are interested in mildly tuning the 335i.
shiv offers a package of the Xede and exhaust for $3,000. the result yields 330whp and 350wtq. Of course it won't be the fastest thing on the road, but it is a very respectable gain for minimal mods.
shiv offers a package of the Xede and exhaust for $3,000. the result yields 330whp and 350wtq. Of course it won't be the fastest thing on the road, but it is a very respectable gain for minimal mods.
Originally Posted by wj4
for those who are interested in mildly tuning the 335i.
shiv offers a package of the Xede and exhaust for $3,000. the result yields 330whp and 350wtq. Of course it won't be the fastest thing on the road, but it is a very respectable gain for minimal mods.
shiv offers a package of the Xede and exhaust for $3,000. the result yields 330whp and 350wtq. Of course it won't be the fastest thing on the road, but it is a very respectable gain for minimal mods.
Yea im sure BMW will warranty that
. But it sounds like a good package. Good job Shiv. A+
Originally Posted by k270kmh
Would you trade your Evo for the new BMW 335?
What do you say about Mitsubishi vs BMW?
What do you say about Mitsubishi vs BMW?
BMW makes awesome cars but nothing with big horsepower unless you step up to the M5, which is an $86,000 car before options.
BMW's caters to a different crowd then the Evo. More show then go.
To me, a true sport car doesn't have the "lux" bells and whistle because it's design to run and run fast. I'm too busy looking at the road and concentrating on my shifts, then admiring the carpeting, or the finish on the dash.
In the end, who are you trying to impress? Your neighbor or yourself?
To me, a true sport car doesn't have the "lux" bells and whistle because it's design to run and run fast. I'm too busy looking at the road and concentrating on my shifts, then admiring the carpeting, or the finish on the dash.
In the end, who are you trying to impress? Your neighbor or yourself?
Last edited by South Side Evo; Nov 21, 2006 at 04:52 PM.
Yea im sure BMW will warranty that . But it sounds like a good package. Good job Shiv. A+
it takes minutes to plug in and out, and the maps are still in there regardless of if it is plugged in or not.
that is all the package concludes of...xede and exhaust. and do you really think BMW will void their well known warranty, one of their selling points in the presentation, due to an aftermarket exhaust?
go look at how many 3series, non m3's, out there that are running aftermarket exhausts and still have warranty, you'll be suprised.
if you guys have the privelage of driving the evo in peace with no unwanted attention from ricers and police, more power to you.
i have friends that are into the car scene and it appears that everyone who's been "pulled over" have own imports. non of my euro tuner friends get hassled much by the police. getting pulled over for driving 40 in a 35 and being asked to pop the hood and get sent to the ref several times can turn you off.
A Flash on an Evo can be removed just as easy. I guess it depends on where you live if youll get hassled by the cops. Im in PA/NJ I never get hassled. Buy the POS bimmer if you like it man. GL
I'd give BMW a year or two to improve their design and maybe add AWD. They make a great sport-touring car, as most German manufacturers do and their cars tend to handle at speed well.
It's hard to compare with the Evo, though I see many are trying - I would sooner compare the RS4 but dollar for dollar, it's again tough to compare. The Audi owner would rebut and say the Evo is a tin can with a plastic interior and doesn't feel stable.
Bottom line - it's about taste. I have owned Audis and VWs and jumped to the Evo out of the race bred envy and proven track record - I am to date not disappointed.
One of these days, VW will drop an R36 here and create what I think will be the first real threat to the Evo - I would probably buy it.
It's hard to compare with the Evo, though I see many are trying - I would sooner compare the RS4 but dollar for dollar, it's again tough to compare. The Audi owner would rebut and say the Evo is a tin can with a plastic interior and doesn't feel stable.
Bottom line - it's about taste. I have owned Audis and VWs and jumped to the Evo out of the race bred envy and proven track record - I am to date not disappointed.
One of these days, VW will drop an R36 here and create what I think will be the first real threat to the Evo - I would probably buy it.
Originally Posted by wj4
you do know that the xede is fully removable right?
it takes minutes to plug in and out, and the maps are still in there regardless of if it is plugged in or not.
that is all the package concludes of...xede and exhaust. and do you really think BMW will void their well known warranty, one of their selling points in the presentation, due to an aftermarket exhaust?
go look at how many 3series, non m3's, out there that are running aftermarket exhausts and still have warranty, you'll be suprised.
if you guys have the privelage of driving the evo in peace with no unwanted attention from ricers and police, more power to you.
i have friends that are into the car scene and it appears that everyone who's been "pulled over" have own imports. non of my euro tuner friends get hassled much by the police. getting pulled over for driving 40 in a 35 and being asked to pop the hood and get sent to the ref several times can turn you off.
it takes minutes to plug in and out, and the maps are still in there regardless of if it is plugged in or not.
that is all the package concludes of...xede and exhaust. and do you really think BMW will void their well known warranty, one of their selling points in the presentation, due to an aftermarket exhaust?
go look at how many 3series, non m3's, out there that are running aftermarket exhausts and still have warranty, you'll be suprised.
if you guys have the privelage of driving the evo in peace with no unwanted attention from ricers and police, more power to you.
i have friends that are into the car scene and it appears that everyone who's been "pulled over" have own imports. non of my euro tuner friends get hassled much by the police. getting pulled over for driving 40 in a 35 and being asked to pop the hood and get sent to the ref several times can turn you off.
I also found out I can't possibly afford it. Says starts at 41 grand after any any options it is 45 beefore tax so out the door, close to 50.
I did at corporate test for BMW with the 335i along with the M5 M6 against the competition. The 335i ran with the G35 and it was actaully close in all aspects. The 335i did out run in the 1/4 by 2 car lengths.
I would get the beemer if I could afford it because I am sick of getting scewed by the cops because of the way my bad *** EVO looks.
You won't go wrong either way.
Originally Posted by EvoRêveur
When comparing cars, like comparing anything, you need to have an understand of purpose. Why did you purchase the Evo? Why didn't you purchase a BMW in the first place? What is it you are looking for in a car at this time? Is it street performance, all surface performance, raw power, top speed, handling, luxury, comfort, reliability, resell value or anything else?
My recommendation, before jumping into a new ride, is to make a list of aspects of a car that are important to you. Then assign a value to each category (like saftey is worth 5pts and luxury is worth 3pts). Then create a comparison of both cars using research as a bases of your claims. +1 for the feature being better on one car and +0 for it not. Once you have your list and your values you can compute a personal car score. That score will tell you, based on your desires, which car is best for you.
Below I compared the two cars based on the data I was able to retrieve. I haven't included prices for the reason of car comparison alone. Price does play a huge role but we need to see which car is better first.
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Power & 0-60
BMW 335i 0-60 [300hp, 300 lb ft]: 5.3 sec
Evolution IX 0-60 [286hp, 289 lb-ft]: 4.4 sec (ModernRacer.com - Stock)
Evolution IX 0-60 [286hp, 289 lb-ft]: 4.9 sec (Edmunds.com - Stock)
Score - Evolution IX: +1 | BWM 335i: +0
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Drive Train
BMW 335: No all-wheel drive as of yet, just rear. Only the 230hp (0-60 in 6.2sec) 328i will have the option of xDrive all-wheel. (leftlanenews.com)
Evolution IX: All-Wheel drive w/ Active Center Differential - Standard
Score - Evoluition IX: +1 | BWM 335: +0
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Interior
BMW 335i Interior: All the yummy things you'd want for a comferatable, luxurious ride.
Evolution IX Interior: Minus the name brand wheel and such it reminds me of my Civic DX interior. I wouldn't have it any other way
Score - Evoluition IX: +0 | BWM 335: +1
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Final Score - Evolution IX: +2/3 | BWM 335i: +1/3
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From this point you can assign a value to each category. If interior is more important than 0-60 (as it very well could be) then the weight of that might be enough to sway your mind seeing how the performance of the BWM will be satisfactory. Otherwise the Evo IX is your best bet for performance.
Personally, I purchased the Evo IX from a Rally Racing love perspective. I wanted a ride that was one of the best balanced cars on the road. The speed and handling of the Evo is like none other. The ACD allows for more flexible strategies of driving depending on road conditions, the suspension wont let the car flip, and the electronic control keeps your car moving steady. For me the Evolution IX takes the cake, hands down. However, I would like to add the new BWM335i to my collection some day. . . . when i'm able to start a collection
Other Categories of Consideration
My recommendation, before jumping into a new ride, is to make a list of aspects of a car that are important to you. Then assign a value to each category (like saftey is worth 5pts and luxury is worth 3pts). Then create a comparison of both cars using research as a bases of your claims. +1 for the feature being better on one car and +0 for it not. Once you have your list and your values you can compute a personal car score. That score will tell you, based on your desires, which car is best for you.
Below I compared the two cars based on the data I was able to retrieve. I haven't included prices for the reason of car comparison alone. Price does play a huge role but we need to see which car is better first.
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Power & 0-60
BMW 335i 0-60 [300hp, 300 lb ft]: 5.3 sec
Evolution IX 0-60 [286hp, 289 lb-ft]: 4.4 sec (ModernRacer.com - Stock)
Evolution IX 0-60 [286hp, 289 lb-ft]: 4.9 sec (Edmunds.com - Stock)
Score - Evolution IX: +1 | BWM 335i: +0
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Drive Train
BMW 335: No all-wheel drive as of yet, just rear. Only the 230hp (0-60 in 6.2sec) 328i will have the option of xDrive all-wheel. (leftlanenews.com)
Evolution IX: All-Wheel drive w/ Active Center Differential - Standard
Score - Evoluition IX: +1 | BWM 335: +0
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Interior
BMW 335i Interior: All the yummy things you'd want for a comferatable, luxurious ride.
Evolution IX Interior: Minus the name brand wheel and such it reminds me of my Civic DX interior. I wouldn't have it any other way
Score - Evoluition IX: +0 | BWM 335: +1
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Final Score - Evolution IX: +2/3 | BWM 335i: +1/3
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From this point you can assign a value to each category. If interior is more important than 0-60 (as it very well could be) then the weight of that might be enough to sway your mind seeing how the performance of the BWM will be satisfactory. Otherwise the Evo IX is your best bet for performance.
Personally, I purchased the Evo IX from a Rally Racing love perspective. I wanted a ride that was one of the best balanced cars on the road. The speed and handling of the Evo is like none other. The ACD allows for more flexible strategies of driving depending on road conditions, the suspension wont let the car flip, and the electronic control keeps your car moving steady. For me the Evolution IX takes the cake, hands down. However, I would like to add the new BWM335i to my collection some day. . . . when i'm able to start a collection
Other Categories of Consideration
- Warranty Support
- Resell Value
- Rarity
- Body Appearance
- Quality of Parts
- Cost of Repair
- Cost of Insurance
- Price
- Features
- and more
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Originally Posted by KartaRailed
In a heart beat. The bimmer is faster with just a tune, has a bigger motor (which is pretty rev happy for what it is) Did I mention that they pick up like 70 wheel with a tune, making about 350-360 average with a damn tune. More luxury, nicer paint, more of a classical sports car. I hate to say it, but I love two cars more than my evo, the m3 that just stopped being made, and the 335i tt.
Originally Posted by WhtEvo05
The gearbox is as always great on a BMW and thats the one thing that the Evo does not! It's just OK.