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I have to go with Megabusa on his last post. Unless you don't care about the length of time to get your car legalized and have money to fight (if necessary) it is not practical.
Motorex, on purchase, will have that car ready for street. I investigated an R-33 a while back but did not have enough money, especially for something that is really not worth it. I don't have $$$$ laying around to buy a 30K sports car. I would rather buy a house right now.....
Sum = Buy a car that can hit the streets running. Kinda like getting a Christmas present and not being able to open it until August..?..? No fun at all.
Racing is one thing but I want it on the street...
Motorex, on purchase, will have that car ready for street. I investigated an R-33 a while back but did not have enough money, especially for something that is really not worth it. I don't have $$$$ laying around to buy a 30K sports car. I would rather buy a house right now.....
Sum = Buy a car that can hit the streets running. Kinda like getting a Christmas present and not being able to open it until August..?..? No fun at all.
Racing is one thing but I want it on the street...
You spend $40k on a car that EI isn't exactly sure that it will be legal, to me isn't such a wise choice.. I called them, and they couldn't give me a straight answer ref the legalization.. Why? All I know is that if someone buys it, and trys to drive it on the road with a plate that doesn't belong to it, JAIL.. If you drive it without proof of being registered, TOWED till you can prove it.. From what Mitsubishi states, the AYC/ACD isn't in the VIII because emissions equipment go in the same place as them under the hood... How can the VII's suddenly pass emissions with that installed and not the VIII? Why can't EI advise the procedures for converting the VII to be legal?? Just makes a guy wonder... If the truth isn't spilled right away, then something is amiss.. It's called, "a little red flag"...
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Originally posted by MEGABUSA
It is damn ****ty of EI to be selling stuff that is not legal, won't be legal for some time and having ZERO $$$ invested in the project!
It is damn ****ty of EI to be selling stuff that is not legal, won't be legal for some time and having ZERO $$$ invested in the project!
adam is a good guy and has his heart into it, his business, so I don't doubt that WRC4ever will be enjoying his VII soon. I myself have an VIII on order, and I know adam will deliver. sure the whole process has taken a bit longer than expected, but hopefully soon people will stop doubting.
Grasshopper - You pay 100% of the price for the car first, then EI arranges for it to be sent here from wherever. In that 100% that you paid is some profit, freight, the price of the car, etc....
EI did spend some $ advertising in the Dupont Registry, but that was long after they had $ from several people.
No cars were ever crash tested (MotoRex Skylines were though).
"A bit longer than expected".. it has been a freaking year, and it is no where near done!
Adam may be a nice guy, but his business is shady at best.
EI did spend some $ advertising in the Dupont Registry, but that was long after they had $ from several people.
No cars were ever crash tested (MotoRex Skylines were though).
"A bit longer than expected".. it has been a freaking year, and it is no where near done!
Adam may be a nice guy, but his business is shady at best.
Originally posted by mabad
megabusa, how do you know EI has 0 money invested in this project? you can't start a business without capital. you can't import those VII's you saw in previous posts without some form of capital.
adam is a good guy and has his heart into it, his business, so I don't doubt that WRC4ever will be enjoying his VII soon. I myself have an VIII on order, and I know adam will deliver. sure the whole process has taken a bit longer than expected, but hopefully soon people will stop doubting.
megabusa, how do you know EI has 0 money invested in this project? you can't start a business without capital. you can't import those VII's you saw in previous posts without some form of capital.
adam is a good guy and has his heart into it, his business, so I don't doubt that WRC4ever will be enjoying his VII soon. I myself have an VIII on order, and I know adam will deliver. sure the whole process has taken a bit longer than expected, but hopefully soon people will stop doubting.
I had actually talked to a few importers about the EVO VI's when I found some for sale in St. Martin for $32k. They explained the entire process to me which sounded risky at the time. The Evo VI had no USA comparable. EI is banking on the "lancer" as being the comparable car and trying to avoid the crashtest thing.
Ordinarily you would have to crash test at least one, and then give one to the officials to drive it (and do more test on it, but it has been 3 years since I did my research, so I don't recall all that well) for about 1 full month.
I thought it would be a great idea to sell these in the USA for $40k but the #'s just didn't work out that well due to the risk. EI is trying to skate around the risk, but sounds like they counted their chickens a little too early.
Even if you try to import a "European S2000", there is about $5k worth of stupid **** you need to do to make it legal in the usa. It should not be that hard, but it is.
Ordinarily you would have to crash test at least one, and then give one to the officials to drive it (and do more test on it, but it has been 3 years since I did my research, so I don't recall all that well) for about 1 full month.
I thought it would be a great idea to sell these in the USA for $40k but the #'s just didn't work out that well due to the risk. EI is trying to skate around the risk, but sounds like they counted their chickens a little too early.
Even if you try to import a "European S2000", there is about $5k worth of stupid **** you need to do to make it legal in the usa. It should not be that hard, but it is.
After all...they had to fully redesign the evo to be US legal...front crossmember to pass 5 mph test...not on the VII
Strict emmission equipment...not on VII
Noise pollution emmission equipment.....not on VII
All these things and more need to be done to a VII to make it legal....as I read it there is no way to put the cross member into the VII design, so are the VII's from EI different in the front to accomodate?
Strict emmission equipment...not on VII
Noise pollution emmission equipment.....not on VII
All these things and more need to be done to a VII to make it legal....as I read it there is no way to put the cross member into the VII design, so are the VII's from EI different in the front to accomodate?
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From: Seattle
The US Evo8 is substantially heavier than the JDM Evo7 probably due to all the additional reinforcements for the crash tests.
Even with the weight-saving stuff listed in the brochure, the US Evo8 is still about 200lbs heavier. Is this correct?
I would love to see the Evo7s on the road but it seems pretty flakey for the EI cars. EI should have just gone the route of Motorex and take the hit to crash test several cars.
Even with the weight-saving stuff listed in the brochure, the US Evo8 is still about 200lbs heavier. Is this correct?
I would love to see the Evo7s on the road but it seems pretty flakey for the EI cars. EI should have just gone the route of Motorex and take the hit to crash test several cars.
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I briefly considered purchasing an EVO VII through Evolution Imports. Seemed like a good thing - a JDM EVO with all the electronic goodies and whatnot. However...
I'm sure that, to most people on this board, $40,000 (plus any other incidental costs) is a lot of money.
And, I'm sure that most people would require proof that an EVO VII purchased through Evolution Imports is (notice that I said IS and not WILL BE) U.S. street legal?
Why in the world would someone plunk down $40,000 and take the risk that the vehicle WILL BE U.S. street legal? In other words, EI is undertaking the process to U.S. street-legalize the cars but such process is not yet complete.
Don't people realize they could lose their cars and/or their money? Aren't they concerned that they may have to sue EI (and possibly lose) in order to ever see a nickel of their $40,000?
Is money that easy to come by for some people on this board? It isn't to me, and that's why I would never take such a risk. Why bother if Mitsubishi is importing the EVO VIII? (Yes, I know all the arguments about the U.S. EVO not being the real deal, not having ADC and AYC, et cetera. The bottom line is that most people on this board will never miss the AYC and ADC. Period.)
Oh, need I even mention that the EI cars don't have a Mitsubishi factory warranty? The warranty is provided by EI. For repairs, EI simply requires that you take your vehicle to an ASE-certified mechanic. Do you think that Billy Bob at the local garage is qualified to work on your AYC or ACD? The answer is no. If anything sophisticated breaks, you will end up having to replace it. This means thousands of dollars down the drain and your car will likely be down for several months while you wait for new parts.
Hmmm.... tell me again why I would purchase an EVO VII from EI?
Did anyone notice on EI's website, in their FAQs, EI's response to the question regarding U.S. street legality is as follows:
"Yes, the Evo VII will be fully US street legal. The legalization and conversion process is included in the price of the car. "
Please notice that EI says "will be street legal" and NOT "is street legal." Big difference. It might just be semantics, but EI can later claim that they never represented that the cars are U.S. street legal. Just that they "will be" street legal. Ho hum.
Also, the the "about" section of EI's website, the following is stated: "We are currently a US importer of street legal Mitsubishi Lancer Evlolution VIIs."
Notice that EI doesn't say "U.S. street legal Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIIs," they say "street legal Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIIs." Again, semantics. Sure the cars are street legal. Street legal in Japan! Nowhere on the site is it respresented that the EVOs are U.S. street legal.
Oh well. I think I'm just going to buy a 'Vette Z06 and be done with it.
Cheers.
I'm sure that, to most people on this board, $40,000 (plus any other incidental costs) is a lot of money.
And, I'm sure that most people would require proof that an EVO VII purchased through Evolution Imports is (notice that I said IS and not WILL BE) U.S. street legal?
Why in the world would someone plunk down $40,000 and take the risk that the vehicle WILL BE U.S. street legal? In other words, EI is undertaking the process to U.S. street-legalize the cars but such process is not yet complete.
Don't people realize they could lose their cars and/or their money? Aren't they concerned that they may have to sue EI (and possibly lose) in order to ever see a nickel of their $40,000?
Is money that easy to come by for some people on this board? It isn't to me, and that's why I would never take such a risk. Why bother if Mitsubishi is importing the EVO VIII? (Yes, I know all the arguments about the U.S. EVO not being the real deal, not having ADC and AYC, et cetera. The bottom line is that most people on this board will never miss the AYC and ADC. Period.)
Oh, need I even mention that the EI cars don't have a Mitsubishi factory warranty? The warranty is provided by EI. For repairs, EI simply requires that you take your vehicle to an ASE-certified mechanic. Do you think that Billy Bob at the local garage is qualified to work on your AYC or ACD? The answer is no. If anything sophisticated breaks, you will end up having to replace it. This means thousands of dollars down the drain and your car will likely be down for several months while you wait for new parts.
Hmmm.... tell me again why I would purchase an EVO VII from EI?
Did anyone notice on EI's website, in their FAQs, EI's response to the question regarding U.S. street legality is as follows:
"Yes, the Evo VII will be fully US street legal. The legalization and conversion process is included in the price of the car. "
Please notice that EI says "will be street legal" and NOT "is street legal." Big difference. It might just be semantics, but EI can later claim that they never represented that the cars are U.S. street legal. Just that they "will be" street legal. Ho hum.
Also, the the "about" section of EI's website, the following is stated: "We are currently a US importer of street legal Mitsubishi Lancer Evlolution VIIs."
Notice that EI doesn't say "U.S. street legal Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIIs," they say "street legal Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIIs." Again, semantics. Sure the cars are street legal. Street legal in Japan! Nowhere on the site is it respresented that the EVOs are U.S. street legal.
Oh well. I think I'm just going to buy a 'Vette Z06 and be done with it.
Cheers.
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I checked with the NHTSA and they said that the Evo7 has never been petitioned and as far as they are concerned, the Evo7 is not street legal here in the US.
Dont know what that means for those people who have already got their Evo7s. If I were one of them, I would sell my car to Europe now, where Evo7s still garner a good price (over 30k) and before the Evo8 arrives there.
Dont know what that means for those people who have already got their Evo7s. If I were one of them, I would sell my car to Europe now, where Evo7s still garner a good price (over 30k) and before the Evo8 arrives there.
EI indicates in the FAQ section that they will be "Fully US Street Legal"....they just don't say when....... buy now, and in 2-3 years from now you can actually drive it legally on the road. 
Q: If I purchase an Evo VII from Evolution Imports, LLC, will it be street legal?
A: Yes, the Evo VII will be fully US street legal. The legalization and conversion process is included in the price of the car.
A: Yes, the Evo VII will be fully US street legal. The legalization and conversion process is included in the price of the car.
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RA29:
You called the NHTSA? And they said that there is no EVO VII petition?
Wow.
So, may I ask, exactly what is Evolution Imports doing? How will the EI EVO VIIs every be U.S. street legal? They haven't petitioned yet?
Incredible.
I feel bad for people who have purchased a car through EI. This might be cause for a class-action lawsuit...
You called the NHTSA? And they said that there is no EVO VII petition?
Wow.
So, may I ask, exactly what is Evolution Imports doing? How will the EI EVO VIIs every be U.S. street legal? They haven't petitioned yet?
Incredible.
I feel bad for people who have purchased a car through EI. This might be cause for a class-action lawsuit...
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Hmm....
No NHTSA petition
No crash test data
No EPA certification
No answers AT ALL from Evolution Imports
And people call this "hating" ? We do a little homework before we **** away $40,000, come up with absolutely NOTHING, and we're "haters" ? That's funny. I'm laughing my *** off here.
No NHTSA petition
No crash test data
No EPA certification
No answers AT ALL from Evolution Imports
And people call this "hating" ? We do a little homework before we **** away $40,000, come up with absolutely NOTHING, and we're "haters" ? That's funny. I'm laughing my *** off here.
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EI has Evo VII on EBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6355
Looks like LHD. I wonder what else they did to try and make it look street legal. According to their listing on EBay, "it will be made fully street legal." I'm hoping they meant U.S. Street legal.
I seriously hope those that have purchased from EI asks thourough questions and get thourough answers from EI. We're talking about $40k here!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6355
Looks like LHD. I wonder what else they did to try and make it look street legal. According to their listing on EBay, "it will be made fully street legal." I'm hoping they meant U.S. Street legal.
I seriously hope those that have purchased from EI asks thourough questions and get thourough answers from EI. We're talking about $40k here!
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From: Quebec, Canada
The question I'm askingis why is there a huge (I mean HUGE) banner of EI on this website?
I mean, put it to the extreme, it's like a police website advertising the thief's website. Like the police website's forum talking about what thief's inc. are doing, and putting a link directly to thief's inc. website.
I think a reference site like this one should only have ads for reknown and trusted mechants.
Etienne
I mean, put it to the extreme, it's like a police website advertising the thief's website. Like the police website's forum talking about what thief's inc. are doing, and putting a link directly to thief's inc. website.
I think a reference site like this one should only have ads for reknown and trusted mechants.
Etienne
