^^^^ hahahaha, gotta love those people huh

and just to add my .2 cents..... i HAVE advan rg2s as my daily driver wheels, and use rota dpts as my track wheels! they do just fine under severe conditions!

 

there not that bad

 

You're basing you wheel choice off of a motivational poster with 1 broken Rota? Seems logical to me..........one broken wheel doesn't exactly denote poor quality from the manufacturer.

Rota's are affordable, look good and have a fairly large selection to choose from. I rock them, if somebody doesn't like them.....well, so be it.

 

So the guy showing the broken rota wheels is saying that no other brand of wheel has had a failure? I have been tracking for 30 years. Spend time around track days and watch all different brand wheels go bye bye.

 

you get what you pay for. my friend hit a curb at low driving speeds and the wheel completely broke into pieces. country of origin and material make a night and day difference in quality.

 

Yeah but a curb trumps all your forged/superior casted wheels everytime.

Stop trying to justify your purchase of expensive wheels and admit your labelwhore. LOL

 

yeah, because anyone who has hit a curb where the wheel didnt break knows youd MUCH rather have a wheel take the brunt of the impact then your suspension! if you slide into a curb, youd HOPE the wheel breaks, so it absorbs most of the impact and your pretty little front end stays straight and no bent control arms and such!

and whats to say a "quality" wheel wouldnt have done the EXACT same thing when he hit that curb?? you basing everything off of 100% assumption! odds are, any wheel would have broke having 3000 pounds of force hitting an immoveable object..

 

My friend said..... Maybe your friend hit the curb harder than he said to save face. If you have not had any experience with the wheels personally than shut up. I have seat time behind my viper,porsche, and an M3 at the track and have experienced even BBS failures. If you hit something its going to BRAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD.

 

I didn’t read any of this thread, but I’m going to contribute.

1. Rays Engineering had to invest huge amounts of money into building the name they have today. Their rims can be found on anything from F1 cars to touring cars because they invested in the development of both their name and their quality.

Why are GRIDS in 18x9.5 cool to the Evo community? Is it some inherent law of human physiology that makes that design attractive to the eye? Does the universe have some law of physics that makes TE37 aesthetic design look good on certain cars?

NOPE, it’s the millions of dollars spent by companies like Rays on marketing and engineering that make you associate them with motor sports. (That’s why it’s such a f***ing joke hearing stretched tired Rota owners calming to be “unique” and “not caring what people think” when they’re the epitome of buying into marketing and thinking what others want them to think. But they’ll grow up).

2. But what about quality? Rota’s are 1/3 the price but certainly not 1/3 the quality!? Again, if you don’t need to spend money on R&D and marketing, of course you can afford a lower price.

Do you think Buschur downpipes are higher quality than the one’s on Ebay today? NOPE. BUT do you think it would be worth it to Buschur to manufacture the original/authentic downpipes if they could only sell five of them before China started under cutting them and pushing them out of the downpipe game?

How many TE37’s does Ray’s have to sell to make it worth making the next new rim? How quickly does Rota come out with a replacement? Maybe Rota’s are a better wheel for the dollar and maybe Rays WOULD charge less IF THEY COULD?

3. Patent and copyright law has played an incredibly important role in the development of our country. If you can’t comprehend this, get off evom and go open a text book. (b/c I’m from NJ: what do you think it cost J&J manufacture, bottle, and distribute a new medication? Nearly NOTHING compared to the R&D. What do you think would happen if Joe Blow down the street wasn’t regulated and wanted to make a generic version two weeks later? We’d have life expectancies of the f***ing 30’s.

SUMMARY (because people who buy rota’s don’t like to read lol ).
1. It costs A LOT of money to be a trend setter (marketing)
2. It costs A LOT of money for R&D
3. If you’re simply ripping someone else's design off, you’re hurting them.

CONCLUSION:
There will always be knock offs, it's part of capitalism and to some extent it does force companies like Ray's to be one step ahead and come up with the latest in greatest, but every single person sporting Rotas shouldn't pretend for one second they're not contributing to the demise of Rays and ripping off reputable companies. You're doing something immoral buying Rotas, even if it's extremely small. If you can't afford Volks, go buy Enkei's.


p.s. not a cold chance in hell i'm proof reading that lol

 

Whoa, hang on a minute. Almost the entire argument is based on R&D and the assumption that Rota is pumping out a parity product. This can only be true if the former constraints are solely based on cosmetics, on the way the wheels look. I can see how the advertising quotient falls into this notion, albeit very slightly, as the adverting is truly minimal. Everything else, not so much. There's plenty to differentiate, say, Volks or Advans from Rotas - weight and strength standing paramount - so the R&D idea doesn't fly. It only comes down to appearance, which is a mighty superficial way to gauge an automotive product, ironically, leading back to your post.

 

here's the major connection you're missing and i neglected to point out:

Marketing in this industry = getting your wheels on important/winning cars. Important cars require high quality parts. So marketing very much equals R&D. In other words, Ray's spends big money on R&D to get their rim on high end cars, and thus marketing. Rota leaches off this like a parasite.

Perhaps you're familiar with these marketing programs that took a lot of R&D:










You can't even have banners at races when none of your cars are using your rims haha

 

exactly! just like every other douche that talks crap on rotas.. its always "a friend of mine had this or that happen"... its never "well I had this happen, heres the proof"... its always the he said/she said.. with how many rotas are on cars nowadays, and multiply that by 4 since each car (should have) 4 each... thats a crap ton of rotas out there.. if they really were prone to failure, or weak, break, crack, etc... there would be a TON of FACTS and PROOF to support the accusations.. not just a bunch of he said/she said bullcrap!

you get 1 of 2 people who crap talk rotas

1. the guy who bought $3-4k worth of wheels and doesnt look any different than the guy who spent $1k (yes, grantid there are strenght differences, im speaking purely in asthetics)

2. the douches who hear bad things, and then relay them as facts and continue to carry on the misinformation. the "my friend had this happen" people

 

Again, the argument is based solely on the notion of appearance. Yes, Rota wheels and Volk wheels can look similar, but that's where the similarity ends. I'm really not sure what else to say that wasn't posted earlier.

 

Unfortunately this quote seems to be the mindset for a lot of Rota owners; people who did pay for a name brand wheel are overpaying.



With a set of say Volk TE-37s, you are getting a wheel of known high quality that can be daily driven and driven in competitve environments (Auto-X, whatever).

With Rotas Grids, you'll get a wheel that will survive daily use, but may or may not be ideally suited for competitive or very spirited driving.


That's what you're paying for: piece of mind in that your wheel can be used and survive on the street and track.

 

Its been proven multiple times that Rotas can and have been used in racing environment with no adverse affects.

I have both brand name wheels (on the way, damn Tsunami in Japan) and Rota's so I can both sides to this arguement.

I'm of the mind that you buy what you can afford and make sense to your pocketbook.