That's just it. DB doesn't care about ET. He is here for the Evo/DSM community. I don't see him being pissed about anything but somebody making seemingly ground breaking, record shattering claims when it's been done before. Long, long before. Much like a father who's son runs to him to show him some new, heavily marketed toy and the father has to break it to his son that those type of toys are nothing new. I get it and don't see why some don't.

On a side note......Does anybody see the resembleance between ET the supposed automotive pioneers and ET the alien? LMFAO!

 

While I hear everybody that 11000 rpms is not as big of news as it made out to be, I still think there are a few cool things coming out of there build that hasn't been done on a 4G platform. Berillium pistons, the clutch/shifting, etc. While I recognize that the average guy cant afford them they are still cool. Results or no results. I do still think they need to get out there and race however.

Also, I was not aware that 11000 rpms is as common as it is so I thank everyone for educating a newb.

 

It only boosts 14psi that's not very impressive. Boost give HP and tq I bet this ET car is not fun on the street. I'm sure it sounds impressive tho.

 

Lol. Anything containing any trace of Beryllium doesn't belong in a car engine. Beryllium is used in Aerospace engineering because people have very little exposure to it, as it is highly toxic. Poisonous pistons?? Sign me up. Probably makes for an interesting oil change.

 

The videos you posted up aren't street cars. I notice something about you Mr. Buschur you are very biased if it doesn't have your name on it, it's doesn't work or it ****.

 

Wow, you are lost. You don't think I can get a street car to do the same thing? It's RPM cletus, the engine doesn't care if it's running 195 mph trap speeds or getting a few quick hits on the street, it's still 11,000 rpm. As a matter of fact the engine would be a hell of a lot happier doing it at some sad low boost of 14 psi instead of 60+.

 

I thought in the ET thread he had said he has been doing it for years as well? Also the 4g63 wasnt the only platform they worked on. Was there another thread talking about an 11k revving motor and bragging? I must be missing something. Also if someone could point me in the direction of ET claiming they were trying to compete with drag cars? I thought they were talking about building motors only?

 

Its obvious that rehab isnt working for you since you\re clearly on crack again. I'm not gonna sit here and defend a shop that won't defend themselves (in this thread) but people like you propagate bull--it. get off the dick already. For the record i have nothing against any of the shops in this thread (i actually run a lot of Bushur parts on my personal car)....but it seemed that this thread (intended or not) was made to discredit what seeeeeeemmms to be a pretty reputable shop.

 

if 11000rpms is old news then wait to see his 13000rpms engine soon

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x77g3...eature=related

Not a bad time for a full weight car with a 1.78 60 foot on a non prepped track and only god know's what elevation.

 

Just throwing this out there that's not an EVO. Thought I'd let you know.

Also, it's not nearly the quickest or fastest Subaru and neither are any EVO results. For a place making 11,000+ rpm engines everyday and 1500 hp the car run more like a 9,000 rpm engine and 650 whp.......

Kinda my point.

 

I think Dave´s main intention is to tell us "be careful", "be skeptic", and "do your homework"; and it is important. I have been following ET´s thread and still can´t make up my mind if it is ground breaking stuff or something else, I don´t know enough of the 4G63 and Evo´s to have a set position. It is shiny and nice though.

What I do know is that you have to respect experience and results, ´cause we all can save a lot of money and time when we take advantage of the vast knowledge that this forum and others have to offer, but there is also a lot of misinformation as well; there are many paths to achieving similar results as well. So when I want to achieve something with my Evo, be it a time slip or HP target or curve, I look for who has done it and how. Then take the route that suits my resources, always trying to be cost effective.

 

The Subie was running on low boost and was still struggling for traction...It takes a lot more than 650...Even on your dyno to run 9.2 with a damn near 1.8 60 foot. I have a lot of respect for what you have accomplished Dave, but I'm simply paying respect where it's due. These guys obviously don't build cars to run in the quarter mile which is evident from only 20 or so meters being prepped on their tracks. But they have brought something to the evo that has never been done. Beryllium valve seats, ti valves, nitromethane, different metals that allow top fuel dragsters to stay alive at the power levels that they put down. Yes 11k rpm has been done in 4th or 5th gear by shep's car (which is amazing and has an amazing engine in it built by) And you build some ****ing stout motors at an affordable price for us here in the US. But you simply cannot compare manley tt, howard rods je or wiseco pistons to the quality of the metals used in ET's builds. It's going to take those kinds of metals, regardless of whose building it in order for the 4g63 to be pushed into levels it's never been. And you have to pay respect to ET for atleast attempting to produce these parts, regardless of what they do with them. Sooner or later they will fall into the right hands and will be used to go down the quarter mile. I feel it would be more beneficial for one of the 4g63's pioneers (which is what you are) to team up with ET, take advantage of them producing parts that have never been produced, and run the 4g63 to a time better than was run 5 years ago, rather than trying to inform the evo community that cars have run better with lesser technology. It's almost scary to think what you could....If you would let it happen.

 

It's up to everyone to take Dave's advice or not, but you can't argue against the experience he has, even if you like him or not.

Spyros is the new shop here, and finally someone in the States is building a car with them. More data will come and the numbers will talk.

In the end we all win. Let's not contribute to the hate.

 

This subaru is 3250lbs weight with driver and had with 35psi 162mph run with 9.2 and 1.78 with extreme tuners setup finish gtx4202 at 35psi with racingfuel not mathanol. What do u have David Bushur to tell about this? Do u have 3250lbs car to show us the speed that passes quart mile? Have u see the other Subaru with 850awhp from extreme tuners again that had 8.8sec with 32psi boost 1year back? Do u know that they lower the boost to 31psi to have a clear run and more than 35psi spins all the greek dragstrip? And the engine is capable of 50psi with 156lbs/min turbo? What u think about this was just a dyno plot now? Give us ur dragstrip for one week and u will see. Also the 11.500rpms that black evo from ET works 1 year now and not just one pass by accident to an only pass to drag with stock parts. 2005-2006 they built 12500rpms engines, please respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGyi37Yn2RU

Do u have the knowledge to sell ready setups for 11-12000rpms and not afraid any failures? Not just one pass? Sure not. That called technology knowledge and expensive parts. That's the diference that u built one motor with stock crank and oil pump etc and u make one pass only with 10800rpms and ET sells ready race engines for this use. Do u have an engine to show to ET with 14psi produce 870hp? Do u know what happened when boost this highly technology engines? At 30psi will produce 1300hp and 1750hp to 44psi? Are u still in place to imagine the size of this tuning?

The difference is that u use parts and they invent them, they create technology and dam they don't need any like u to shake their hands.

U haven't wonder why they don't have online website or web store, they don't need to sell parts for living, they make them for their improvement and their own records, that's the difference, their connections are too high and is another level of just 1/4mile passes. Do u know as u write about them they probably eat with a FIA high grade guy and laugh and sitting to a 2milion cnc machines? Please respect.

Soon they will release a 13000rpm engine as I know they test them, and a 2000hp 4g63 engine setup. Give respect u will probably be better when u just steal something from them.