11,000 RPM is so old news.......
That Ross. Okay well I suppose we can rule out assembly error most likely. That leaves starvation which I can believe in a car with 30-130 like that or some other unlucky variable.
You know I've a lot of respect for you David but after posts like the above you sometimes come across rude and arrogant. Just saying 
With regards to:
I find it very interesting that you are choosing to use a 2.3L set-up to rev to that sort of rpm. Is it a normal 2.3L stroker - 85mm piston, 150mm rod and 100mm stroke crank?
I'm also interested to why heavy rods like Manley Turbo Tuffs have been chosen for a high revving set-up. Is it because of your relationship with Manley and the deals you can pass on to your customers and make money off?
Surely the combination of less than ideal rod ratio and heavy con rods are going to punish the bearings, pistons and bores?
Just curious that's all.
With regards to:
I find it very interesting that you are choosing to use a 2.3L set-up to rev to that sort of rpm. Is it a normal 2.3L stroker - 85mm piston, 150mm rod and 100mm stroke crank?
I'm also interested to why heavy rods like Manley Turbo Tuffs have been chosen for a high revving set-up. Is it because of your relationship with Manley and the deals you can pass on to your customers and make money off?
Surely the combination of less than ideal rod ratio and heavy con rods are going to punish the bearings, pistons and bores?
Just curious that's all.
This has actually been the way we've been doing it for 20+ years and it's worked out great. Now keep in mind, Jarrod hasn't always worked for me and neither has Nick. So I've used other people's boxers over the years and had other people blind fold me. I think you get the idea of how I come up with our combinations now.
I let WAY too many of our secrets out, this one is going to kill us, everyone is going to be able to do it now........
I am all those things. The way I came up with the parts to build the 2.3RPM was this. I called all the companies out there who make internal parts for these engines and asked them to send us some stickers. All the companies that did we put in a box and then I covered the box with a pair of Jarrod's boxers (not briefs). I then put a rubber band around one leg hole so it wasn't accessible and the other I left open. Then Nick blind folded me and I reached in through the open leg hole and started pulling out stickers. The first crank company sticker I pulled, we used, then the first piston company sticker I pulled we used, so on and so on until we had enough company names to get all the stuff I needed.
This has actually been the way we've been doing it for 20+ years and it's worked out great. Now keep in mind, Jarrod hasn't always worked for me and neither has Nick. So I've used other people's boxers over the years and had other people blind fold me. I think you get the idea of how I come up with our combinations now.
I let WAY too many of our secrets out, this one is going to kill us, everyone is going to be able to do it now........
This has actually been the way we've been doing it for 20+ years and it's worked out great. Now keep in mind, Jarrod hasn't always worked for me and neither has Nick. So I've used other people's boxers over the years and had other people blind fold me. I think you get the idea of how I come up with our combinations now.
I let WAY too many of our secrets out, this one is going to kill us, everyone is going to be able to do it now........
I would hazard a guess that you're a time served politician by the way you dodged my questions too! Very good.
I am all those things. The way I came up with the parts to build the 2.3RPM was this. I called all the companies out there who make internal parts for these engines and asked them to send us some stickers. All the companies that did we put in a box and then I covered the box with a pair of Jarrod's boxers (not briefs). I then put a rubber band around one leg hole so it wasn't accessible and the other I left open. Then Nick blind folded me and I reached in through the open leg hole and started pulling out stickers. The first crank company sticker I pulled, we used, then the first piston company sticker I pulled we used, so on and so on until we had enough company names to get all the stuff I needed.
This has actually been the way we've been doing it for 20+ years and it's worked out great. Now keep in mind, Jarrod hasn't always worked for me and neither has Nick. So I've used other people's boxers over the years and had other people blind fold me. I think you get the idea of how I come up with our combinations now.
I let WAY too many of our secrets out, this one is going to kill us, everyone is going to be able to do it now........
This has actually been the way we've been doing it for 20+ years and it's worked out great. Now keep in mind, Jarrod hasn't always worked for me and neither has Nick. So I've used other people's boxers over the years and had other people blind fold me. I think you get the idea of how I come up with our combinations now.
I let WAY too many of our secrets out, this one is going to kill us, everyone is going to be able to do it now........
"I'm also interested to why heavy rods like Manley Turbo Tuffs have been chosen for a high revving set-up. Is it because of your relationship with Manley and the deals you can pass on to your customers and make money off?"
You think I chose engine parts based on how much I can make off them for my engine builds? That makes as much sense to me as my comment back to you on how I choose the parts I use.
If that's how I picked what I use would I run the same parts in my own engine and risk blowing the bottom end out of it at 160 mph with one of my best friends in the car? Your statement was ignorant and insulting, so you got a stupid answer back from me.
Turbo Tuff rods weigh 630'ish grams, for reference. Manley 300m rods weigh 680'ish grams.
my 156mm turbo tuffs weighed less than that. and i know which one i trust to not toss out of the oil pan and cover my tires in oil at 750+whp.
I am all those things. The way I came up with the parts to build the 2.3RPM was this. I called all the companies out there who make internal parts for these engines and asked them to send us some stickers. All the companies that did we put in a box and then I covered the box with a pair of Jarrod's boxers (not briefs). I then put a rubber band around one leg hole so it wasn't accessible and the other I left open. Then Nick blind folded me and I reached in through the open leg hole and started pulling out stickers. The first crank company sticker I pulled, we used, then the first piston company sticker I pulled we used, so on and so on until we had enough company names to get all the stuff I needed.
This has actually been the way we've been doing it for 20+ years and it's worked out great. Now keep in mind, Jarrod hasn't always worked for me and neither has Nick. So I've used other people's boxers over the years and had other people blind fold me. I think you get the idea of how I come up with our combinations now.
I let WAY too many of our secrets out, this one is going to kill us, everyone is going to be able to do it now........
This has actually been the way we've been doing it for 20+ years and it's worked out great. Now keep in mind, Jarrod hasn't always worked for me and neither has Nick. So I've used other people's boxers over the years and had other people blind fold me. I think you get the idea of how I come up with our combinations now.
I let WAY too many of our secrets out, this one is going to kill us, everyone is going to be able to do it now........
Just to clear something up, you left one important part out.... the fact that they arent clean boxers.
Does any of this remind people of Boost Solutions? Feel like I am dating myself of the Evo boards bringing them up but still.
Not entirely, but just the premise. The talk about their parts. Granted BS called all kinds of shops out, never showed up to the events the shops went to. Could never get their car to run right, and only ran the car at private tracks..
Oh and I guess some other difference was BS scammed a ton of people and hid under new names and bankruptcy.
Not entirely, but just the premise. The talk about their parts. Granted BS called all kinds of shops out, never showed up to the events the shops went to. Could never get their car to run right, and only ran the car at private tracks..
Oh and I guess some other difference was BS scammed a ton of people and hid under new names and bankruptcy.
Does any of this remind people of Boost Solutions? Feel like I am dating myself of the Evo boards bringing them up but still.
Not entirely, but just the premise. The talk about their parts. Granted BS called all kinds of shops out, never showed up to the events the shops went to. Could never get their car to run right, and only ran the car at private tracks..
Oh and I guess some other difference was BS scammed a ton of people and hid under new names and bankruptcy.
Not entirely, but just the premise. The talk about their parts. Granted BS called all kinds of shops out, never showed up to the events the shops went to. Could never get their car to run right, and only ran the car at private tracks..
Oh and I guess some other difference was BS scammed a ton of people and hid under new names and bankruptcy.
i just dont seem how that even compares to what you are trying to imply
I found your question humorous and your weights are also wrong, so first I found your comments useless, then your question humorous. I also thought this statement was bull**** and insulting:
"I'm also interested to why heavy rods like Manley Turbo Tuffs have been chosen for a high revving set-up. Is it because of your relationship with Manley and the deals you can pass on to your customers and make money off?"
You think I chose engine parts based on how much I can make off them for my engine builds? That makes as much sense to me as my comment back to you on how I choose the parts I use.
If that's how I picked what I use would I run the same parts in my own engine and risk blowing the bottom end out of it at 160 mph with one of my best friends in the car? Your statement was ignorant and insulting, so you got a stupid answer back from me.
Turbo Tuff rods weigh 630'ish grams, for reference. Manley 300m rods weigh 680'ish grams.
"I'm also interested to why heavy rods like Manley Turbo Tuffs have been chosen for a high revving set-up. Is it because of your relationship with Manley and the deals you can pass on to your customers and make money off?"
You think I chose engine parts based on how much I can make off them for my engine builds? That makes as much sense to me as my comment back to you on how I choose the parts I use.
If that's how I picked what I use would I run the same parts in my own engine and risk blowing the bottom end out of it at 160 mph with one of my best friends in the car? Your statement was ignorant and insulting, so you got a stupid answer back from me.
Turbo Tuff rods weigh 630'ish grams, for reference. Manley 300m rods weigh 680'ish grams.
David - please don't take offence to my post. I can assure you no malice was intended. I'm sorry if you took offence.
No I don't think you choose parts solely on what you can make the most money off! However - let's be real for a moment, you are a business man, tuning is your game you chose a living from it so I would be naive to think you overlook this completely. They offer good value for money, buying in bulk and selling in bulk mean good profit margins.
I also think you choose the parts because:
You have a good business relationship with Manley. Communication is good, supply/delivery is good, quality is good, component strength and reliability is good, you have proven results using them over the years,... you trust them so why change something that works. Change can be bad and change can lead to mistakes.
I'm not completely wrong with my weights - some Turbo Tuffs do weigh 675g's
http://www.manleyperformance.com/sc/...g63_rods.shtml
And yes the stroker specifics weigh 637g's. So call me a liar
Still heavy
My point is David, and with all due respect - Turbo Toughs are not THE most suitable rod for a high revving motor. There are better rods out there that are more suited to such an application.
We are all entitled to our opinion. Yours may be that Manley Turbo toughs are the bee's knee's - my opinion differs. If we all agreed on everything the world would be a boring place.
Peace.
-Karl
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