View Poll Results: Choose which ones will influence your decision
Wow, 300hp, 300 ft-lbs from 2.5L Subaru boxer engine
152
22.25%
Proven tuning potential of the Mitsubishi 4G63
355
51.98%
Subaru\'s strong 6-speed manual tranny
138
20.20%
Mitsubishi\'s dependable 5-speed tranny
109
15.96%
DCCD on the STi... wish Evo had ACD
132
19.33%
Stock FMIC on the Evo
164
24.01%
Exterior looks
305
44.66%
Interior quality
148
21.67%
Gross Vehicle Weight
79
11.57%
I want to test drive both before deciding
165
24.16%
Price
261
38.21%
Body Shell Rigidity
133
19.47%
Brakes
163
23.87%
0 - 60 mph and 1/4 mile times
201
29.43%
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Evo vs. STI | Anything and Everything [ALL THREADS MERGED]
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Google
Please spare me with how the STi is a vastly superior car.
Let's get a few things straight.
1. There isn't a single compro in existance from a major publication that has declared the STi the victor. Final count
8 votes for the EVO, 0 for the STi.
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If you bothered to read the reviews you would see that the STi won the R&T reveiw before price was figured and 2 editors picked it over the EVO. The STi also was picked as the better daily driver by almost every reviewer, but I know EVO drivers spend all there time in the mountains and have another car to drive to work!
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2. The pricing isn't even close. Here in the NY Metro area the markup on most Evos is now MSRP. The STi with fewer models being made is regularly selling for $40,000 (w/o stereo). With less than half the number of STis compared to EVOs being produced expect this to continue. (Give me a NY, NJ, CT STi at MSRP or even close and I'll buy it)
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Glanzzman (in PA) is selling me an STi at MSRP (I live in NYC)
it's 80 miles from NYC.
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3. The EVO is bigger, faster (0-60 which matters off the track since I can only go 90 without getting my car taking away mostly), and far more affordable. Not only that but insurance hits the next bracket at 300hp so enjoy those higher premiums.
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Wow where to start?
bigger sure a little.
faster errr... NOPE! and if you are worried about losing your lic. good luck w/your EVO. STi is a little faster, not much both will kill you if you miss handle them.
And I'm pretty sure these two cars will be in the same insurance class. But you're probably not going to have to pay more then a year(what with losing your lic. and all)
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4. There is a major problem with detonation in STis. Major in the auto industry is defined as more than 5% of vehicles sold for a particular model year. Yes it is early in the STi life but not a good sign. I'd rather have sporadic transmission grindings than detonation issues.
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pick your poison
the prob. (in the STi) seem to be octane related buy 94 and no pings. I think it's a little early to be saying either car has major problems. But why be reasonable now you're almost done.
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But hey opinions are free.
and the truth just gets in the way so BS away!
reality is both these cars are great and more alike then different.
Pick one and then drive the hell out of it.
pk
Please spare me with how the STi is a vastly superior car.
Let's get a few things straight.
1. There isn't a single compro in existance from a major publication that has declared the STi the victor. Final count
8 votes for the EVO, 0 for the STi.
__________________________________________________ ___________
If you bothered to read the reviews you would see that the STi won the R&T reveiw before price was figured and 2 editors picked it over the EVO. The STi also was picked as the better daily driver by almost every reviewer, but I know EVO drivers spend all there time in the mountains and have another car to drive to work!
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2. The pricing isn't even close. Here in the NY Metro area the markup on most Evos is now MSRP. The STi with fewer models being made is regularly selling for $40,000 (w/o stereo). With less than half the number of STis compared to EVOs being produced expect this to continue. (Give me a NY, NJ, CT STi at MSRP or even close and I'll buy it)
__________________________________________________ ___________
Glanzzman (in PA) is selling me an STi at MSRP (I live in NYC)
it's 80 miles from NYC.
__________________________________________________ ___________
3. The EVO is bigger, faster (0-60 which matters off the track since I can only go 90 without getting my car taking away mostly), and far more affordable. Not only that but insurance hits the next bracket at 300hp so enjoy those higher premiums.
__________________________________________________ ___________
Wow where to start?
bigger sure a little.
faster errr... NOPE! and if you are worried about losing your lic. good luck w/your EVO. STi is a little faster, not much both will kill you if you miss handle them.
And I'm pretty sure these two cars will be in the same insurance class. But you're probably not going to have to pay more then a year(what with losing your lic. and all)
__________________________________________________ ___________
4. There is a major problem with detonation in STis. Major in the auto industry is defined as more than 5% of vehicles sold for a particular model year. Yes it is early in the STi life but not a good sign. I'd rather have sporadic transmission grindings than detonation issues.
__________________________________________________ ___________
pick your poison
the prob. (in the STi) seem to be octane related buy 94 and no pings. I think it's a little early to be saying either car has major problems. But why be reasonable now you're almost done.
__________________________________________________ ___________
But hey opinions are free.
and the truth just gets in the way so BS away!
reality is both these cars are great and more alike then different.
Pick one and then drive the hell out of it.
pk
Last edited by pk!; Jun 18, 2003 at 07:15 PM.
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pk!,
There should be a gentlemans agreement that if a question is ask concerning EVO or STI on an EVO forum, that STI owners sit on their hands and visa versa on a Suby forum. That way, the thread will not de-generate into a urinating contest between proponents. Also, the EVO owners will agree to lock broeli in a closet
, if you agree to duck tape dlowman to a light pole and we both ban trolski! Hows that? 
To the original poster:
Drive both cars and pick the one you like best. You will know! Have fun!
Speedlimit....
There should be a gentlemans agreement that if a question is ask concerning EVO or STI on an EVO forum, that STI owners sit on their hands and visa versa on a Suby forum. That way, the thread will not de-generate into a urinating contest between proponents. Also, the EVO owners will agree to lock broeli in a closet
, if you agree to duck tape dlowman to a light pole and we both ban trolski! Hows that? To the original poster:
Drive both cars and pick the one you like best. You will know! Have fun!
Speedlimit....
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pk! thanks for adding a dose of reality.
Yes, I am Trollski because I want to be clear about my views on certain issues. That doesn't make the facts stated untrue.
The guy started with a legit question (though it's been covered), and all he got for an answer was junk.
The truth still remains, the detonation in the STi is related to proper octane compared to mods. Maybe a handful of stock STi's experience detonation, otherwise it's a matter of the computer mods catching up with the hardware, which is already happening. Adjusting the ECU does not impair performance if it is done to maximize a mod. The Turbo XS exhaust alone is already claiming 27+ hp increase. Imagine what is to come when a proper ECU is developed to add to the mods!
Did I add that STi also has height adjustable seats. For barely $2K more the Sti provides so much more, and is truly a refined all around sports car.
It just has become evident now that the cars are out that the EVO is a great performer, and fun for tuners, but really one dimensional. Good for getting decent times on mid speed tracks, and that's it!
Yes, I am Trollski because I want to be clear about my views on certain issues. That doesn't make the facts stated untrue.
The guy started with a legit question (though it's been covered), and all he got for an answer was junk.
The truth still remains, the detonation in the STi is related to proper octane compared to mods. Maybe a handful of stock STi's experience detonation, otherwise it's a matter of the computer mods catching up with the hardware, which is already happening. Adjusting the ECU does not impair performance if it is done to maximize a mod. The Turbo XS exhaust alone is already claiming 27+ hp increase. Imagine what is to come when a proper ECU is developed to add to the mods!
Did I add that STi also has height adjustable seats. For barely $2K more the Sti provides so much more, and is truly a refined all around sports car.
It just has become evident now that the cars are out that the EVO is a great performer, and fun for tuners, but really one dimensional. Good for getting decent times on mid speed tracks, and that's it!
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Folks, I am sorry I opened a can of worms regarding my original posting. From the replies and internet searches, my question regarding the Evo's reliability has been answered. Thanks you. It sounds like it's some real fine engineering went into the Evolution (and the Subaru). Thanks so much. I drive by a Mitsubishi Dealership and a Subaru Dealership every day going to work. I like the looks of the Evolution, much better than the Subaru. Since the vehicle sounds like it's pretty bullet proof, its looks are great, and the fact I get get a discount on the Evolution, that's teh way I'm leaning. Thanks very much to all.
Kitra (Scott)
Kitra (Scott)
pk - I thought that the detonation was due to extreme timing advance. AT least that's what I read in the thread at NASIC. Also of concern is that the STi owners manual states that pinging can occur under extreme load or going up hills. This may give Subaru a way out of covering this problem.
Trollski - I don't see how the EVO is one dimensional. I use it as my daily driver and I've taken plenty of road trips. The EVO is not overly harsh as I thought it would be. Long drives are very nice due to the seats, which I must say are the most comfortable I've ever had.
And I would hardly say that the STi brings that much more to the table. Both cars are within 0.5 second on all tracks.
My suggestion is to test drive both on the same day back to back. They both have their pros and cons.
Here's my take:
STi pros:
- 300 hp
- very little turbo lag
- 6 spd
- front LSD
- very sweet gauges!!!!
- outside temp gauge (nice toy)
STi cons:
- brand new engine (it's a big unknown)
- no sunroof
- no stereo
- $2000 more than the EVO
- seats
- hood scoop vibrates at speed
EVO pros:
- $2000 cheaper
- seats
- stereo and floormats
- sunroof
- proven engine
EVO cons:
- 29 hp less than the STi
- gauges
- Mitsu's reputation for build quality (again an unknown)
- no front LSD
The things I'm most jealous about are the STi's gauges, front LSD and the 300 hp. The power can easily be made up but I will never have those gauges. I'm sure the STi guys are probably jealous about the sunroof, stereo and the seats. Even if our stereo is cheap, at least we don't need to go out day one and buy a system.
I didn't list DCCD as a pro for the STi because if it doesn't help get better times then it's a toy, just like being able to raise and lower the HIDs.
When it comes to performance these cars are a wash. The STi is faster in a straight line and the EVO handles a little better. On the track they're about even and at the drag strip the STi has a slight advantage.
But test drive both...
Trollski - I don't see how the EVO is one dimensional. I use it as my daily driver and I've taken plenty of road trips. The EVO is not overly harsh as I thought it would be. Long drives are very nice due to the seats, which I must say are the most comfortable I've ever had.
And I would hardly say that the STi brings that much more to the table. Both cars are within 0.5 second on all tracks.
My suggestion is to test drive both on the same day back to back. They both have their pros and cons.
Here's my take:
STi pros:
- 300 hp
- very little turbo lag
- 6 spd
- front LSD
- very sweet gauges!!!!
- outside temp gauge (nice toy)
STi cons:
- brand new engine (it's a big unknown)
- no sunroof
- no stereo
- $2000 more than the EVO
- seats
- hood scoop vibrates at speed
EVO pros:
- $2000 cheaper
- seats
- stereo and floormats
- sunroof
- proven engine
EVO cons:
- 29 hp less than the STi
- gauges
- Mitsu's reputation for build quality (again an unknown)
- no front LSD
The things I'm most jealous about are the STi's gauges, front LSD and the 300 hp. The power can easily be made up but I will never have those gauges. I'm sure the STi guys are probably jealous about the sunroof, stereo and the seats. Even if our stereo is cheap, at least we don't need to go out day one and buy a system.
I didn't list DCCD as a pro for the STi because if it doesn't help get better times then it's a toy, just like being able to raise and lower the HIDs.
When it comes to performance these cars are a wash. The STi is faster in a straight line and the EVO handles a little better. On the track they're about even and at the drag strip the STi has a slight advantage.
But test drive both...
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Re: Trying to decide between EVO & STI
Originally posted by kitra
I am still contemplating between and Evo VIII and the Subaru STI. I read the STI only used 14 pounds of turbo boost and the Evo 19 pounds. I'm concerned a bit about the durability of the Evo? I also was told by the Dealer that the 2004 Evo will likely have a 6-speed. I like the body design and colors of the Evo. Really like the yellow. Locally, the Dealer will sell me an Evo for $30,812 which is MSRP. Their price posted on the Evo was $40,812 but I got the markup scratched off. I haven't driven either car because they don't want miles on them or someone to trash the car before it's broken in properly. All the Evo's on the lot (5 cars) have less than 4 miles on them. So they are really new.
Advice? Read some post here about transaxle issues and odd noises. A lot of coin to put down on a risk or is it?
I am still contemplating between and Evo VIII and the Subaru STI. I read the STI only used 14 pounds of turbo boost and the Evo 19 pounds. I'm concerned a bit about the durability of the Evo? I also was told by the Dealer that the 2004 Evo will likely have a 6-speed. I like the body design and colors of the Evo. Really like the yellow. Locally, the Dealer will sell me an Evo for $30,812 which is MSRP. Their price posted on the Evo was $40,812 but I got the markup scratched off. I haven't driven either car because they don't want miles on them or someone to trash the car before it's broken in properly. All the Evo's on the lot (5 cars) have less than 4 miles on them. So they are really new.Advice? Read some post here about transaxle issues and odd noises. A lot of coin to put down on a risk or is it?
I do like the yellow a lot. I think you should go for the EVO personally. But I feel you pain man. Tough choice. But when you choose, whatever it is you chooose, don't look back. Just enjoy.
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TOP GEAR VIDEO Evo vs STi
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Sorry...
try this...
http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuk...1dcdbe886ea322
Yea i suck on the internet i know.. but theres the forum and just click on the link.
try this...
http://www.imprezawrxsti.com/postnuk...1dcdbe886ea322
Yea i suck on the internet i know.. but theres the forum and just click on the link.
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Why would the Sti have less turbo lag than the Evo VIII.
AbusiveWombat what do you mean the Mitsu reliability unknown I thought Mitsubishi had a good reliability.
AbusiveWombat what do you mean the Mitsu reliability unknown I thought Mitsubishi had a good reliability.
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The Evo handles slightly better than the STi. The STi is faster in a straight line. The interior of the STi is sexier. The seats of the EVO are more supportive. The STi has pinging problems that can be fixed by an upgrade in ECU or 94 octance. The Evo has tranny problems that are blown completely out of propotion.
No car is better than the other, just better for the buyer/driver. Are you willing to compromise a little for track racing? Go Evo. Do you want to go faster in a straight line while caustiously testing out the new engine? Get the STi.
Don't believe the posts in this thread that try to convince you that one is better than the other with neat, organized lists. In fact, I'm astonished at your Administrator's first post, which lists a complete guide to USDM STi Myths and Fallacies.
Can we just put down our dukes and agree that these different cars are for different people and be done with it?
No car is better than the other, just better for the buyer/driver. Are you willing to compromise a little for track racing? Go Evo. Do you want to go faster in a straight line while caustiously testing out the new engine? Get the STi.
Don't believe the posts in this thread that try to convince you that one is better than the other with neat, organized lists. In fact, I'm astonished at your Administrator's first post, which lists a complete guide to USDM STi Myths and Fallacies.
Can we just put down our dukes and agree that these different cars are for different people and be done with it?
To EVO owners:
I am also deciding STi or EVO...
I know STi is having det/ping problems... which is sad considering
that it has lower compression and running at lower boost...
hopefully SOA will have a solution soon (w/o decreasing the hp, I
hope)...
I think the steering wheel problem is just alignment... nothing
to worry about...
CEL is just a lose hose, I thought... no biggie..
As for STi's tranny... I haven't heard of anything... can someone
point me a link??
As for EVO... I thought there was a long long thread about
tranny problem (with shredded metal)???? Could someone
give me the conclusion to that long thread??
Thanks,
I am also deciding STi or EVO...
I know STi is having det/ping problems... which is sad considering
that it has lower compression and running at lower boost...
hopefully SOA will have a solution soon (w/o decreasing the hp, I
hope)...
I think the steering wheel problem is just alignment... nothing
to worry about...
CEL is just a lose hose, I thought... no biggie..
As for STi's tranny... I haven't heard of anything... can someone
point me a link??
As for EVO... I thought there was a long long thread about
tranny problem (with shredded metal)???? Could someone
give me the conclusion to that long thread??
Thanks,
