View Poll Results: Choose which ones will influence your decision
Wow, 300hp, 300 ft-lbs from 2.5L Subaru boxer engine
152
22.25%
Proven tuning potential of the Mitsubishi 4G63
355
51.98%
Subaru\'s strong 6-speed manual tranny
138
20.20%
Mitsubishi\'s dependable 5-speed tranny
109
15.96%
DCCD on the STi... wish Evo had ACD
132
19.33%
Stock FMIC on the Evo
164
24.01%
Exterior looks
305
44.66%
Interior quality
148
21.67%
Gross Vehicle Weight
79
11.57%
I want to test drive both before deciding
165
24.16%
Price
261
38.21%
Body Shell Rigidity
133
19.47%
Brakes
163
23.87%
0 - 60 mph and 1/4 mile times
201
29.43%
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Evo vs. STI | Anything and Everything [ALL THREADS MERGED]
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[QUOTE=evo8MR]
I would also take the Zonda and the Konigsegg over the SLR.
Originally Posted by BTW, the mclaren mercedes SLR was one of the fastest cars tested on top gear, and it's automatic from the factory.[/QUOTE
3 cars that are better than the SLR:
-enzo
-carrera gt
-ford gt
-enzo
-carrera gt
-ford gt
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From: California
Originally Posted by JaguarS4R
True and its AUTOmatic
In the straights, you can't beat a built auto on the brake boost / consistancy... the bmw m5 automatic shifts faster than any human being could ... but on the autox / track, it's a cointoss
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Originally Posted by mr96gsx408
yeah, i believe the evo 7 has a trim with a automatic, the evo 7 GTA
In the straights, you can't beat a built auto on the brake boost / consistancy... the bmw m5 automatic shifts faster than any human being could ... but on the autox / track, it's a cointoss
In the straights, you can't beat a built auto on the brake boost / consistancy... the bmw m5 automatic shifts faster than any human being could ... but on the autox / track, it's a cointoss
Originally Posted by JaguarS4R
It defeats the purpose of being a high performance super car.
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From: California
Originally Posted by erikgj
100%. Nothing sucks the life out of performance driving like an ECU deciding the next gear is better for you.
Reasons why:
on the launch @ 5krpm (depending on torque converter stall speed), you're at full boost, what slipping clutch?
during shifts, you lose no boost.. so when you get back in gear no need to respool! sorry ricers, no bov noises for you
but drawbacks are that usually auto's get one gear less than manuals and are a bit more heavier . The consistancy really makes up for it.
Again, on a autox or track racing, you're going to need to be in the powerband, and manuals are more likely to be faster.
my 2 cents
and back on topic, evo MR baby hands down
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From: Bay Area
Originally Posted by erikgj
Plus the SLR has a cheap plasticy interior.
I'm sorry but people who bought this car usually have more weapons in the garage, and one of them will not be any EVO.
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From: Bay Area
Originally Posted by mr96gsx408
when you're talking about being faster in a straight line, automatics win hands down. I don't know if you guys consider being slower (in a manual) having more performance. Ask the drag supraforum guys or the domestic drag cars which is faster, the auto or manual, and it'll be another endless debate, but auto's are very well recognized. Regardless, auto's do hold their own.
Reasons why:
on the launch @ 5krpm (depending on torque converter stall speed), you're at full boost, what slipping clutch?
during shifts, you lose no boost.. so when you get back in gear no need to respool! sorry ricers, no bov noises for you
but drawbacks are that usually auto's get one gear less than manuals and are a bit more heavier . The consistancy really makes up for it.
Again, on a autox or track racing, you're going to need to be in the powerband, and manuals are more likely to be faster.
my 2 cents
and back on topic, evo MR baby hands down
Reasons why:
on the launch @ 5krpm (depending on torque converter stall speed), you're at full boost, what slipping clutch?
during shifts, you lose no boost.. so when you get back in gear no need to respool! sorry ricers, no bov noises for you
but drawbacks are that usually auto's get one gear less than manuals and are a bit more heavier . The consistancy really makes up for it.
Again, on a autox or track racing, you're going to need to be in the powerband, and manuals are more likely to be faster.
my 2 cents
and back on topic, evo MR baby hands down
Very much agreed. I have my 55 consistently doing 13.2 @ 108 mph, that after I change my tires from 17 inch 245/40 rear/ & 225/40 front to 18 inch 255/35 rear & 225/40 front. With ESP off you just step on the gas with modulation, or else it will burn tires easily.
I'm getting a kleeman supercharger for christmas, the wife approved it already. It will be 450 plus WHP untuned.
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From: Midwest
I STILL don't think anyone would consider the E55 AMG an alternative to the Evo. If you have something to prove by driving in a straight line really fast on the streets then yeah, don't bother if you can afford the big power and luxury.
Me, I would take an underpowered agile car any day over big car with loads of power. It's just a difference of what you consider "fun to drive" to be. Evo is not a ricer, and I don't think any more highly of the euro-status yuppie, or rich kids "big pimpin" stereotypes that are attached to these luxury cars. If you judge people based on what they drive, something is wrong with you but we're all sick says Freud so just about every car you look at out there is going to have some sort of humanity conceived bias going against it's driver. You probably shouldn't think twice about it. All of the cars we've mentioned in this thread are attention getters in some way.
Me, I would take an underpowered agile car any day over big car with loads of power. It's just a difference of what you consider "fun to drive" to be. Evo is not a ricer, and I don't think any more highly of the euro-status yuppie, or rich kids "big pimpin" stereotypes that are attached to these luxury cars. If you judge people based on what they drive, something is wrong with you but we're all sick says Freud so just about every car you look at out there is going to have some sort of humanity conceived bias going against it's driver. You probably shouldn't think twice about it. All of the cars we've mentioned in this thread are attention getters in some way.
Originally Posted by mr96gsx408
when you're talking about being faster in a straight line, automatics win hands down. I don't know if you guys consider being slower (in a manual) having more performance. Ask the drag supraforum guys or the domestic drag cars which is faster, the auto or manual, and it'll be another endless debate, but auto's are very well recognized. Regardless, auto's do hold their own.
Reasons why:
on the launch @ 5krpm (depending on torque converter stall speed), you're at full boost, what slipping clutch?
during shifts, you lose no boost.. so when you get back in gear no need to respool! sorry ricers, no bov noises for you
but drawbacks are that usually auto's get one gear less than manuals and are a bit more heavier . The consistancy really makes up for it.
Again, on a autox or track racing, you're going to need to be in the powerband, and manuals are more likely to be faster.
my 2 cents
and back on topic, evo MR baby hands down
Reasons why:
on the launch @ 5krpm (depending on torque converter stall speed), you're at full boost, what slipping clutch?
during shifts, you lose no boost.. so when you get back in gear no need to respool! sorry ricers, no bov noises for you
but drawbacks are that usually auto's get one gear less than manuals and are a bit more heavier . The consistancy really makes up for it.
Again, on a autox or track racing, you're going to need to be in the powerband, and manuals are more likely to be faster.
my 2 cents
and back on topic, evo MR baby hands down
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Wrx-Sti Vs. Evo-Mr
Originally Posted by JaguarS4R
Not true, the GSR and the MR are pretty much the same car. They both have the same power, both have ACD and both weigh pretty much the same. 6spd is the only difference which doesnt even matter b/c gear ratios are pretty much the same as the 5spd, the 6spd only tops out 8mph more. BIG DEAL
Mitsubishi ---> Lancer --->Evo --->MR
Please accept the fact the base model evo is no the MR.
1. The base model evo is not called GSR in the states.
2. There is no ACD in the base model Evolution
3. Six spd is a big unique fearture.
ACD, 6-Speed Tranny, Better Suspension, Interior, and the other differences distinguish the MR. Do not make up stuff because you know our evo is outdated, and the MR will be the new standard.
Because you've driven both the MR and standard (GSR) and you know, right? Thanks for the information.. Can you back it up with some documentation?
Until then it's ALL speculation.
Until then it's ALL speculation.
Originally Posted by Temjins
Subaru ---> Impreza--->Wrx --->Sti
Mitsubishi ---> Lancer --->Evo --->MR
Please accept the fact the base model evo is no the MR.
1. The base model evo is not called GSR in the states.
2. There is no ACD in the base model Evolution
3. Six spd is a big unique fearture.
ACD, 6-Speed Tranny, Better Suspension, Interior, and the other differences distinguish the MR. Do not make up stuff because you know our evo is outdated, and the MR will be the new standard.
Mitsubishi ---> Lancer --->Evo --->MR
Please accept the fact the base model evo is no the MR.
1. The base model evo is not called GSR in the states.
2. There is no ACD in the base model Evolution
3. Six spd is a big unique fearture.
ACD, 6-Speed Tranny, Better Suspension, Interior, and the other differences distinguish the MR. Do not make up stuff because you know our evo is outdated, and the MR will be the new standard.
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From: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted by Temjins
Subaru ---> Impreza--->Wrx --->Sti
Mitsubishi ---> Lancer --->Evo --->MR
Please accept the fact the base model evo is no the MR.
1. The base model evo is not called GSR in the states.
2. There is no ACD in the base model Evolution
3. Six spd is a big unique fearture.
ACD, 6-Speed Tranny, Better Suspension, Interior, and the other differences distinguish the MR. Do not make up stuff because you know our evo is outdated, and the MR will be the new standard.
Mitsubishi ---> Lancer --->Evo --->MR
Please accept the fact the base model evo is no the MR.
1. The base model evo is not called GSR in the states.
2. There is no ACD in the base model Evolution
3. Six spd is a big unique fearture.
ACD, 6-Speed Tranny, Better Suspension, Interior, and the other differences distinguish the MR. Do not make up stuff because you know our evo is outdated, and the MR will be the new standard.
EVO and WRX DO NOT compare. EVO=STI
The base model EVO is RS. All EVOs will have ACD for 05 and GSR and MR are the same. The only difference between the GSR and MR is the 6spd, wheels and suspension. How is the interior different??? Just b/c of a different shift knob, E-Brake handle and a badge. Your statements are ridicilous. They even weigh the same. MR is supposed to be 25lbs lighter but b.c of the heaver 6 spd transmission, it turned out to be pretty much equal. Also, the 6 and 5 spd are very similiar, the only MAIN difference is that 6 spd tops out at about 7mph more. LEARN BEFORE YU SPEAK
Last edited by JaguarS4R; Oct 1, 2004 at 01:24 PM.
