Prediction, Alfriedesq is back on nasioc and talking trash about the EVO in a few months after he alienates the EVO crowd and decides he wants something new. The STI release should fit nicely into that time frame.

 

I never said is not. I love EVO just as much as STi.

 

The car I recieved was cut in half so i was not able to measure the wheel base - however - it was definetely a C spec - it had no radio or sound proofing and it had some other c spec tricks such as TGV removal and very fast steering rack

Anyway - I would be very suprized if the wheelbase was differnt than any other V 7 STI becuase I used the same driveshaft and it fit fine in my WRX

The STI I had certainly handled 1,000 times better than a WRX - - and it would be a close race - maybe even tie with a EVO on teh track - BUT - I just prefer the feel of the EVO - its much less vauge and more sharp

 

After driving the EVO - I will never ever talk trash about that car

I rank it right up there with my '91 M5 and my NSX as the top three best street cars I have ever driven - - a bit slow for my tastes - BUT - an amazing car for the $$$

At this point - I am sick of upipes and subarus - - very soon there will be many others who drive the EVO and see the light

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion - to me - the fact that I bolted the car together myself and with my own hands and I figured out how to get everything to work (I was prob the first guy to do an new age STI engine swap on the US streets) means more to me than anything else - - - being able to show up at the East Coast Subaru Shoot Out in September and beating everyone else including professional tunners and then being able to drive home 300 miles - well that ment even more to me - - any idiot can go out a buy a $30,000 car it takes no genious - - to me fabricating your own machine by hand means something

Sure it wasn't a factory built ride - but then again - I am NOT really into stock cars anyway

As far as any differences in feel or performance betwen my STI creation and a factory one - well since I dont frequent japan I wouldnt be able to tell you - but my reserach shows my STI would have beat just about any other 2.0 litre STI on the planet - - despite all that and despite the fact that the STI was a great - relaible - fun and enjoyable car for the $$$ - - in my opinion the EVO just blows teh subaru away - - to me UNLESS the Subaru picked up twin turbos - - its going to be a lag magnet period the EVO handles much better and its tranmission has much better feel

I have serious doubts about the 2.5 motor they are bringing here - - my 2.0 was a gema I don't think they can out do that powerplant


Finally - the synchros on that STI 6 speed suck

 

Should have got your car done by Easy Street. You would have been in the 10s for 50k less than you spent. That would have afforded you an EVO and STi. But alas, working on it by yourself does make a difference.

In any case, lets bring this thread back to its main issue and away from a EVO vs. old STi comparison / draggin braggin rights.

No flame, lets just focus on the thread.

 

I’m a new guy around here, and obviously this is my first post. I read EVERY post (but I don’t remember all of them) of each of the twelve pages of this thread, and I have read a lot of *****ing. I guess I can throw in my two cents about the U.S.-spec cars. Sorry, this one is sort of long, but I ask that you read it. I’ve read through twelve pages of stuff like this. (I’ve loved the Evo ever since I saw it in Jackie Chan’s Who Am I?, but clearly I’m more of a WRX fan.)

MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION VIII
The 2.0-liter engine has been modified throughout the years, getting better every generation. Its twin-scroll turbo improves overall numbers (271 hp and 273 lb.-ft), but consider its 19 psi boost levels. (Imagine properly boosting a WRX, better yet the STi to 19 psi… wow!) Someone on this board mentioned that the FMIC’s advantage is that it doesn’t suffer from heatsoak… if it didn’t, then why does the Evo have the IC waterspray, just like the STi? It’s still a great engine, though. I only question why its dyno results are less-than-stellar.
Many magazines readily available (Automobile, Super Street, etc.) have praised the Evo’s handling abilities despite its deletion of its ACD and AYC. Performance-wise, it should slot between the WRX and STi, more than likely closer to the STi.
The new fascia of the Evo VIII is nice, but it’s a step down from the looks of the Evo VII. It might grow on me just like the previous bug-eyed iteration of the WRX did, but for now I’ll look at the past VII’s front end. But who knows, I may wake up tomorrow loving the new VIII’s front end.

SUBARU IMPREZA WRX STi
The 2.5-liter engine already promises a better torque curve and greater numbers, as shown by Subaru’s ratings (300 hp and 300 lb.-ft). Many people on this forum say that the reliability of this engine comes into question, but think about it… Subaru’s reliability is just shy of being the best. Sure, they’ve never released a production turbocharged 2.5-liter before, but they’ve worked on turbocharged 2.0-liters as well as naturally-aspirated 2.5-liters for years, and Subaru just decided to put two great ideas of theirs together, so why would anybody seriously question its potential? It’s not like they’re trying something new to them like building a mid-engine V-12.
Although some people have complained about the STi’s “low” redline of 7000 rpm, its 6-speed gearbox should allow it to remain in the sweet spot. And besides, the extra displacement already grants the engine good power delivery without needing to reach more stratospheric revs that are characteristic of Hondas.
Though no one in the U.S. has tested them, the differentials on the STi should be a blast. With limited-slip differentials in the front and rear plus the DCCD in the middle, the STi will offer excellent grip on virtually any surface whether drifting or dragging. (Hopefully the STi’s handling issues will be positively affected by the 2004 model’s updates.)
The new fascia of the 2004 Imprezas is a plus for all models except for the wagon. I feel that Subaru’s designers have properly addressed any issues with the Impreza’s questionable looks with a more aggressive yet tasteful front end.

In the end, both cars are indeed GREAT, and it all boils down to personal preference and bank account. They’re both AWD beasts that will tear up the road whether it’s made of asphalt or dirt and blow away many V-8s (especially if turns are involved), all while being practical for four people and their belongings. The way I see it, the WRX is the best thing under $25,000; the Evo VIII is the best thing under $30,000; and the STi is the best thing under $35,000 (that’s right, I said it!).

And to Evo fans upset at Subaru’s use of a 2.5-liter that puts out better numbers… don’t be upset. Look at the Euro-spec models from last year: while the virtually identical-to-JDM Euro Evo VII put out a mighty 276 hp, the Euro-tuned STi was only churning out 262 hp due to changes for emissions reasons. As a result, in Europe the Evo VII triumphed in horsepower, torque, handling, acceleration, top speed, looks, and ultimately in popularity, despite its $7,000 premium over the STi. And now in the U.S., the tables have turned: the U.S.-spec STi, though sporting a $2,000 premium over the Evo VIII, boasts better horsepower and torque, improved performance, and updated looks, just as the Evo VII did in recent years. I wouldn’t be surprised if within a few years Mitsubishi drops an all-new 2.5-liter engine into its Evo to better compete with the STi. Anyway, these Mitsubish-Subaru battles that we are arguing about now is nothing new; with their Camaros and Mustangs, Chevrolet and Ford have been at it for decades trying to top their rival’s previous moves, and there still isn’t a true winner. Our case won’t be any different… or maybe I’m just a new member who has a lot to learn.

 

First, the video introduced a new JDM EVO8 and compared it against the EVO7. The new car clocked a second faster at Tsukuba circuit and 2 seconds faster around a slalom course. The driver credited an improved version of ACD/ super AYC which reduced understeer and added grip. The new 6-speed tranny also help extracting more speed on the straight. (wish USDM car has those ).
After the comparison test, they swapped a set of S compound tires on a stock EVO and ran it against EVO7 (350bhp) and EVO8 (330bhp) race cars. The EVO8 race car was significantly faster than the other two, but a stock EVO8 was only a second slower than the 7.
Lastly they put all trims of EVO8 (GSR, RS 6 m/t, and RS 5 m/t) against both new standard STi and STi Spec-C. The fastest car from the time attack was a Spec-C. At the starting grid, the cars were divided into 2 groups. Up front with EVO GSR and standard STi. Right behind were the two RSs and the Spec-C. They raced for 5 laps and the winner of the 1st group was an EVO GSR with better cornering speed and top end on the straight. However, the winner of the second group was a Spec-C which was slighty faster than the RSs. The driver of the RS 5 m/t was damn aggressive. He blocked the 6 m/t's driver all the way from start until finish, and they bumped into each other once. They also ran 1/4 mile and both JDM STi + a 6 speed RS clocked a 12.6. The GSR and 5 speed RS were at 12.7. Overall, a must watch video.
(sorry for the bad use of my language though, but hey I could translate the video for you guys)
p.s. Does USDM EVO rev to 8K rpm? Cause on the video, the JDM cars were redlining at 8K.

 

Where can we see this video?

 

Was that the new spec C. Damn, how much faster is it?

 

You can see a partial video here: http://www.bestmotoring.jp/lineup/index.html

 

Yes, it was a new Spec C. The car was quite faster than a standard STi. It was cutting through the inside corner of both EVO RSs, and edged them a little on the straight.

 

You can rent it off from a Japanese video rental store in downtown LA.

 

Cool, thanks for the info

^_^

 

I like the title : "EVO VIII's Counter Attack"