This reviewer is a good writer but he forgot the most important point -- a detailed comparison between the two cars! The article is 90% small talk and 10% about the cars. Can't wait for a "real" comparison ... granted this is not U.S. version anyway. Also, how could the evo be better on the straight-a-ways if he thought the sti was approx. 03. or so tics faster 0-60? Funny, the other review we saw claimed the exact opposite ... friggin reviews ...

 

Umm. yes it is the US version of both cars. All magazines, etc. got to test the Sti here recently. They can't get too specific and give too many details because there is an embargo on any info being released until May 1. So, it will be another month until we hear the full results. We'll get a few leaks of info here and there though

 

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This reviewer is a good writer but he forgot the most important point -- a detailed comparison between the two cars! The article is 90% small talk and 10% about the cars. Can't wait for a "real" comparison ... granted this is not U.S. version anyway. Also, how could the evo be better on the straight-a-ways if he thought the sti was approx. 03. or so tics faster 0-60? Funny, the other review we saw claimed the exact opposite ... friggin reviews ...

 

How about Tiff Needle doing a review?

 

Not to bust anybody's bubble that prefers the look or features of the sti, because the STi is tight, but we all know that an EVO w/ the ECU upgade is going to take care of the STi. My reasearch tell me that the evo may have more hp/torque potential in the ECU.

 

Yeah, and a Miata with nitrous, a blower, and some suspension mods will spank a Corvette. You can't compare a modded car to an un-modded car and say it's better. It's not exactly fair.

Now, I will admit that it's possible that the STi won't have the capabilities for modifications that the Evo does. But we won't know that until it comes out.

But my opinion: stock vs. stock, and all drivers equal, the STi is going to win every race; straight line, road course, or dirt road rally. Sorry guys!

 

Your opinion is your opinion, can't argue with that.
But your opinion is based onconjecture, so, I will disagree with that and use the oft used:
We won't know until we see a "real" side by side test.
Can we put this topic to rest. Now. Please...?

 

Tiff would pick the Subaru

 

Your Miata example is cheesy Tuxedo Cartman. I was simply referring to the ECU aspect potential of the two cars, & nothing more. Also ... Cartman ... isn't it safe to say that the evo could be just a bit more detuned from the factory in a stock v. stock comparison against the STi? The real comparison will be an STi v. and evo with the ECU's at full capability in both cars. With that said, I lay this discussion to rest.

 

Yes, exactly. And if my Aunt had ***** she'd be my Uncle.

 

Jeremy is known for small talk. But he does make good points about why one shouldn't blindly trust journalist's opinions, including Jeremy's own opinion I might add.

My interpretation of his comment about the EVO being "better on open roads" is that he is talking about fast, large radius corners rather than a completely straight road. It does make sense, since the EVO's stiffer setup will pay dividents on a really fast corner. Whereas the Sti's strength of low-speed cornering might be attributed to it's effective differentials, all three of them.

As funny as Jeremy is, he is definately not as good a driver as Tiff, who has a little bit of F1 in his background.

Journalists who don't have a strong racing background, tend to prefer cars that are easy to drive to the limit. Ultimately, the better the driver, the better he can exploit 10/10 out of a given car. And, it is at 10/10 that the great cars distinguish themselves from the also-rans.

Likewise, a buyer who does not have the necessary driving skill, might actually be better of listening to the lesser skilled journalists. Whereas the buyers who are competent are better of listening to those journalists who really know how to drive. Notice for example, when R&T does a serious track test they sometimes bring in top-notch drivers like Bryan Herta or Steve Millen for extra insights into the cars' handling at the limit. Unfortunately, their recent test of the 350z against the Z06, M3 and 911 did not feature any racing drivers. I suspect that the 911 would have achieved a faster lap time than the 350z, given a top driver. 911s are generally more difficult to extract 10/10s from and I just don't think R&T's regular crew has the credentials to drive to the edge.

On the fine line between the calm and the storm lies ecstacy!

Just food for thought...

 

tiff was mostly GT racing i think

 

The word on the street after a NZ car writer tested the new STI is that he would rather have the EVO VII.
So that has to be good news to all Evo VIII owner.
He will be testing the EVO VIII (japan spec) in the next few weeks, but news like that puts a smile on my face as for next time I'm at the lights next to a STI I can just shake my head and say to myself go on make my day!!!

 

97itr153 ... your post was extrmely informative & competent. Realizing there are many external/internal factors, as well as biased attitudes/opinions in the automobile reviewing business is good food for thought. It's tough when one isn't familiar with the current crop of reviewers out there ... perhaps this is why I have you for insight on this matter. With that said; however, I believe that ONLY experienced drivers should be able to review enthusiast-based high performance machines like the EVO. On the other hand, there is the "other" type of expensive car buyer -- the typical old Doctor or elder gentleman that just wants to hear a few kind words about car and could care less about the details & specs. Don't you hate when one of those guys pulls up next to ... driving his/her 911 the speed of a street sweeper! And you know he won't even look at you ... no matter what the fuc* you're driving. You have to at that!