Alright, since we haven't heard from the creator of this post, how about these limitations:

1. Cost can't exceed $90,000.

2. Vehicle must be in production somewhere in the world... cottage industries like TVR are a go.

3. The car can be 2seater, RWD, FWD, 4WD, etc... every layout is game.

Cool with y'all?

I'll throw in the TVR Tuscan-S... built like ****, but G-d what a motor .

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what the hell? How old is ur source? The new supra is going to be a Gas/ Electric Hybrid with 300 hp AWD. I dunno how toyo expects to pull it off but thats their goal.

And i seriously doubt its gonne be $75,000

 

Probably old, but every bit as accurate. Toyota, like Honda, tends to do things behind closed doors. I've never heard the Supra gas/electric rumor; though it does fall in line with Toyota's push for hybrids.

 

No offense taken. As a counterpoint - The BMW M3 GTR was a "production" car in the same sense for ALMS. Can you get one? Nope, didn't think so.

So, yes, the RS200 can claim the record based on 50 of them theoretically being produced and being road legal (in Europe). It doesn't pertain to this thread, regardless, so let it go.

 

The only thing you've eliminated are exotics which none of us can afford anyway.

The Evo's competition in the US:

1. Subaru WRX STi (and variants)
2. Mitsubishi's own incompetence

You can cross-shop it, bench race it, or having pissing matches over it with about 50 other cars. But even the RX8, as similar as it is, appeals to vastly different priorities.

IMO, of course.

 

Hey man, totally agree. Outside of the STi, there really is no direct competition in the U.S. with respect to rawness and lineage/heritage.

But I would add the following as well as realistic options:

1. B5 S4... Nice from the get go, but you can totally mod these twin-turbo bad boys. Not as high-brow as the B6, so can drive as agressively as you like.

2. R32... Suspension in stock ain't too shabby, but you can totally crank the juice up and get into Evo/STi acceleration territory.

3. Focus RS8... BIG MOTOR. Not sure about the suspension. Just drop in a V8 into your RS.

4. Skyline GT-R R34... Yeah, more expensive, but with the same focus of AWD performance. Yes, you can make more power, but PWR/Wt even modded is really close.

My thoughts,
g

 

I don't think inline 6s are gonna disappear. BMWs have straight 6s in them, which is an inline 6. the IS300 has the NA supra engine, 2JZ GE, which is an inline 6.
If you''re talking about a bigger engine in the IS, that's gonna be the rumor of the IS430, which is the v8 GS engine. I don't think there were any official announcements about production.

Power delivery was NEVER a problem with those engines. 2JZ GTE, SR20DET, RB26DETT, those are probably the best engines ever built in the sense of power delivery and efficiency. I think they are just redirecting their goal for the car. Decent power with a v6 or v8 NA that is reliable and light, instead of turbo or twin turbo cast iron block inline 6s are are bulletproof and capable of gruesome hp.

Maybe they will all come out as NA engines, making the same move as the S4.

As for the competitors of the EVO, I believe you should compare cars within the same class only. Performance figures are similir to S4s and 911s, but they are in a totally different class. Keep in within rally cars or at least AWD.

 

Inline 6s are here to stay. As long as there is a BMW there will be inline 6s. In addition to responsiveness, they are quieter and smoother then comparative V-configurations.

The B6 S4 is out of the Evos league, but not the B5. And the S4 is an evolution of the Audi rally cars of yore.

Yeah, 911 is a different car, but it has AWD as the Carrera 4... and the reliability is worse, with no gain in performance. But, you can get more chicks with it.

I'm surprised I haven't been torn a verbal new.... yet for my comparison of the Evo to the Skyline... where art thou yeah rabid Skyline fateful? How dear someone bring the Skyline to the realm of common autos?

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Greetings from the creator of the post.
Here are the broad criteria:
1) Production cars available to the US - even rumored - for the 2005-7 timeframe
2) Body style - whatever can compete on paper. Including skidpad, 1/4 mile, etc.
3) 0-$60k. (estimated by rumored cars) Since the EVO is constantly compared to vehicle twice it's price.

I started this thread thinking of what I might buy to park NEXT to my Evolution in the future. I plan on keeping it and wanted something similar but with some different characteristics. I'm not trying for apples-to-apples. I don't need 2 of the same cars.

Carry on - and plz try to stay on topic.

 

Under $60k that has similar or better performance capabilities.

2004 Z06 Corvette
2005 C6 Corvette
2004 WRX STi
2004 S2000
2004 CTS-V
2004 Dodge RAM SRT-10

 

Future vehicles.... 2005-7 timeframe

 

I'm assuming your referring to my post. I didn't say that ALL inline-6 engines were going away. Just that Toyota was phasing out the 2JZ engine. The Lexus IS is the only car using it right now. And when the new GS comes out, with its new V6, I see Lexus adapting that engine to the new IS whenever it comes. Of course the inline-6 engine isn't going away totally. That would be silly. I can't think of BMW without thinking of great I6 engines. And, totally off-topic as it is, the new I6 in the Trailblazer and all of GM's related trucks is a great engine. And hell, where would TVR be without its great use of I6 engines????

Also, I didn't say that power delivery was BAD on those engines. I was stating how they can't make the same ammount of power as newer engines WHILE still being emissions compliant. Thats all. We all know the SR20, 2JZ, and RB26 make great ammounts of power. But, cars are making much more power these days, and to get that kind of power from those engines is hard while still passing emissions. Thats all. Hell, I'd love to see all those great engines stay around, but they won't.

Hilg

 

How about,

1. '05 Lotus Elise... again, G-d's own two seater.
2. '05 Audi S4
3. '05 WRX STi
4. '05 C6 Corvette
5. '05 BMW M3
6. BMW M4, M2.. perhaps '05 or '06
7. Supercharged Mazdaspeed RX-8... '06?
8. '05 Dodge Neon SRT-4... Mopar Stage III
9. '05 VW R32
10. '05 Honda S2000

More to come,
G

 

do those JDM engines come out as restricted engines because of emissions?

cuz i know for a fact that they are downgraded before they are sold, like the 280 hp limit in japan.

 

In Japan, the 280hp limit is just a number limit. They don't limit the engines any, they just say that they have 280hp. But, if you look at the Supra, for example, it was for sure making much more than that. It was rated at 320hp here, and thats on not so good gas. Over in Japan, with their 98-100 RON gas, it would most definately make more power. So, most of those engines were just listed as having 280hp, but actually made that if not more fairly easy.

But, that wasn't what I was really getting at. I was refering to the increasing emissions standards here and around the world. Like I said in an earlier post, the '97 Supra Turbo was only sold here with the automatic trans, because the 6-speed couldn't pass emissions. The new Z is another good example. The old Twin Turbo 300ZX made 300hp, but the new normally aspirated 350Z makes 290. Newer engines are getting much better at making power, while still being kind to emissions. Honda is making Civics that are SULEV vehicles now. Thats "Super Ultra Low Emissions" with basically the same power you would have had 6-8 years ago from the same car. Same power, while cleaner is much better.

Now, back on topic, like I said before, I don't see a real direct competitor to the Evo and STi. I mean, the Z, the S2000, and the RX8 are similar in performance and price. But, as a direct competitor, there isn't much. You only have 4 options when it comes to turbo and AWD here in the US. You have the Evo, the WRX, the STi, and the Audi A4 1.8T Quattros. Thats it. Volvo might be bringing the AWD version of the new S40 over here in a year, but that isn't a real competitor. Don't let those silly commercials with it in Rallisport Challenge on the XBox, its not a rally car. And, I don't consider the S60R a real competitor. Same with the S4, M3, and AMG C-class. I don't consider those cars competitors. Honestly, I don't see a real direct competitor to these cars. Not sure what the scoop with the new 4G Eclipse is though, but I doubt they'll make it a competitor to the Evo. Some say it might come back with AWD, but I'll believe that when I see it. Who knows.

Hilg